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hey everyone I'm your guest host Dean

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aliotto your regular host Martin Willis

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made bail and was released from the

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hospital last week on his own

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recognizance and is doing much better

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before I tell you about our special

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guest be sure to check out Charles

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lear's new blog that cleans up an

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age-old conspiracy called Nixon resign

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because he saw a UFO

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uh well what can I say about my friend

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and our guest Dave Foley that hasn't

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been said about every other Canadian

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American comedian actor who was in a

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cult classic series Kids in the Hall

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news radio and my daughter's favorite

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Sky High David Foley is uniquely all

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these things and a lot more which we're

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about to find out shortly most

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impressive however is David's interest

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and take on the UFO alien phenomenon so

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let's bring in Mr David Foley

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hello hey how are you I'm very well Dean

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how are you I'm good I'm good you're in

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New York so we're

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we're kind of bi-coastal right now yeah

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it's very I know it's the same this this

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used to be something only major networks

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could do live live broadcasts from coast

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we're living in a major in a modern age

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yeah this isn't a major

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um hey so there's a few things that you

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said that we couldn't talk about one of

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them was your rising sign the other was

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your favorite BG and the other the last

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one I think was whether or not oatmeal

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is the best way to start your day but

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you will talk about UFOs so I'll end

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this for me oh yeah how about UFOs yeah

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where should we start

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um well let's start from your first

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moment of Interest where you it kind of

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landed on your radar

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um it well I think it was on my radar uh

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farther back than my conscious memories

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because um

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when I was a young lad in Canada there

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was a show on in the uh I guess it was

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the late 60s early 70s called UFO

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uh it was a terrible show if you if you

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manage to see it now but at the time it

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seemed fantastic uh British show

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um uh but an or a secret organization

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that was battling UFOs on the planet

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um and so that was on there was also a

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show starring Roy thinniss called

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Invaders that I used to watch as a kid

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and you know and then on top of that I

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was also a big movie fan so movies like

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uh The Day the Earth Stood Still uh had

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a big impact and then you know and then

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a little older things like uh Close

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so I was interested in a pop culture

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sense

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happened and and that kind of uh that

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was one where I I started going I mean I

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always thought it was a fun topic and

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interesting but assumed most of it was

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just was just nonsense

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something where he went uh okay this is

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really hard to dismiss and the way that

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they're dismissing it is really easy to

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um you know the uh the explanations that

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were being put forward at the time uh by

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the government and that were being

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swallowed uh you know whole by the by

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the press it just didn't make any sense

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and it it and that's where I first

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started really realized no the the uh

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the uh the explanation that what people

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simply makes more sense than any of the

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other explanations people are putting

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forward because everything else requires

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at least four or five steps of weird

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coincidences and bizarre misperceptions

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on the part of thousands of people

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you know you had to accept that

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right as as the basis for accepting this

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the the story of the uh the the prosaic

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story for what people saw in Phoenix

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whereas uh

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that they saw UFO you really said to

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accept one thing that thousands of

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people described the exact same thing so

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probably that's what they saw

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everyone comes to it in different ways

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UFO which look like Mike Myers

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went back in time and did a spoof oh

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Mike was Mike was influenced by it when

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he wasn't uh oh yeah the guy who was

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supposed to be the Playboy character in

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the old UFO show was what kind of

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inspired Austin Powers uh yeah you know

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Mike was inspired by these guys who back

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in that era in British television uh you

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you only knew they were sexy because

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people in the show kept telling you they

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overweight badly dressed horrible

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haircuts these were the sexy fellows and

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Powers Yeah and those onesies that they

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would wear yes I love Yeah in the

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following on This Woman's derriere for

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no reason they just cut to it yeah yeah

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yeah well I guess he'd been working with

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puppets for so many years the producer

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who produced Thunderbirds or go oh I

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didn't know that no kidding yeah UFO was

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and uh so so fun yeah finally I mean

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he'd been he'd been uh sexually uh uh

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ogling uh you know marionettes for so

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long so when he finally had a real woman

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on the in front of his camera he went

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crazy there's only two states left where

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um by the way yeah

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um so so you're watching these shows and

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are you watching them as someone

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thinking that Beyond this when I go out

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at night and I look at the stars there's

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something there are you thinking this

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thing is fun as entertainment

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is it a profound thought or well I think

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as a kid who's also very interested in

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science but with but still getting D's

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that it was clearly just an unacceptable

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proposition that we were the only

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intelligent species in the in the

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universe you know it's just that's just

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it's just too much too much real estate

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um and even as a child I I understood

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that in something that big if something

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happens once it happens an almost

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infinite number of times

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right um you know that uh we so we have

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that that n equals one example on on

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yeah that there isn't a lot of other

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life and a lot of life that's a lot

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older than us and a lot smarter than us

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um you're a fellow uh on the Spectrum

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dyslexic like myself yes and um I always

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um my interest in the stars and stuff

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um with daydreaming because you're in

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class and you're not able to

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auditory-wise really take in stuff it's

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more visual for us right yes yes and so

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you're looking out the window you're

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thinking about thoughts that have

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nothing to do with why you're there for

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you know eight hours yes your mind is

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wandering and synthesizing like weird

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disparate Notions and synthesizing them

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into new ideas and which which you know

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creative generally and very frustrating

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for uh for school teachers and parents

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nobody that that uh that doesn't find a

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dislike this dyslexic to be a pain in

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the ass except for other dyslexics yes

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yeah I'm cool if you're a dyslexia

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um so as you're getting older and and

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you're you know starting to kind of form

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little things it's kind of like along

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the way it's it's almost like you're on

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this um Trail and you start picking up

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things and going oh I like this I'll put

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this in my pocket I'll leave that and

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one of the things you pick up in your

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pocket is comedy so yeah I wanted to

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great fun career yeah well I part of

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ADHD as well I mean because both uh it's

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that that inability to filter out what

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other people consider extraneous

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uh is kind of I think is one of the keys

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to being funny and it's not like

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notice things other people notice and

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and organize ideas in a way that other

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people wouldn't think of so so it's uh

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whenever we move kind of being funny

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new friends and you know and uh

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try to not really fit in but at least

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get at least be able to talk to people

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first day yeah yeah so I was always uh

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of the bigger kids I just stopped

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growing at a very early stage

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picture I really had to worry about

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getting my butt kicked I was always one

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the uh but it was yeah it was I was

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always the funniest guy in my circle of

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friends you know wherever I moved and

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laugh all the way to school uh said oh

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you should do stand-up and I it had

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never occurred to me and I went oh all

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my comedy career no way so was that yeah

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I can write

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so it was your mother not your mother

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encouraging you it was someone else and

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you figured yep Evelyn chapeya that's

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Evelyn thank you so much yeah yes I'm

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thanking her as an audience yeah and it

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really was I went oh okay and like I'd

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always wanted to be a writer but it

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never occurred to me to actually write

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stand up or to be a comedian so I

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started writing monologues started going

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downtown to yuck yucks uh and doing open

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mics

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and not bombing in fact doing quite well

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at it so uh

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that kind of Led Led me and then I

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started taking improv classes to improve

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the stand-up and I met Kev McDonald and

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that was when I was 19.

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wow and uh and then I quit stand up

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because I liked working with Kevin more

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and then the kitchen all started

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yeah and that partnership is legendary

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how you guys came together and folded in

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other people and the band just kind of

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like hey maybe we'll get a rhythm guitar

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and we'll get uh drums and keyboard and

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and 40 years later we're still doing it

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yeah so you just had

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um a series on Amazon a new season I

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should say yes and so what we're calling

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it season six Amazon calls it season one

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um

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uh but yeah on Prime video we did eight

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new episodes of the kids in the whole

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show which which uh as I say we set out

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as much as possible to make it feel like

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just a continuation from where we left

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off

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and it does

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um I watched it and um benched it and

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thought it was hysterical and the humor

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and everything that pocket of humor

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which is a you know irreverent edgy and

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um and surprising as you said at a left

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field uh was there or do you know if

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they're gonna go in a second season or

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um I haven't heard we haven't heard

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anything from Amazon as yet which I'm

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sure is a good sign

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um right that's usually what happens

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right if they're really happy with the

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show they go all right everybody

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turn off the lights in the office

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everyone be quiet for six months don't

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let anyone know we're here yeah we're

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still working we just can't tell you

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um so

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um coming back from from that so that

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happens and you guys find your jam and

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you're going and and some of you

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Splinter off and you're doing shows

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um again my daughter really loves Sky

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High and we saw it on repeat movie DVD

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it really is yeah and a great concept of

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yeah you know these superheroes in your

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character which was a sidekick and now

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teaching you know yes Mr boy yeah and

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Kurt Russell is hilarious in it he's

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real oh my God so good at comedy yeah he

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needs to be doing definitely more of

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those

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um so all along this time are you

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thinking about are you kind of an

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armchair

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Enthusiast of UFOs whenever you or you

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mentioning it to your castmates anyone

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well yeah no I was definitely interested

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in it I mean I was definitely interested

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uh back in you know again my interest

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took another jump

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back in 89 when George Knapp uh did his

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first interviews with Bob Lazar

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you know and which is when we uh you

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know when the world first heard the term

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uh Area 51

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and you know and hearing those stories

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it was you know it was pretty compelling

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and interesting so that that got me

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going and then of course George

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back around and that time produced a

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series called the UFOs the best evidence

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I think it was called

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yeah which was uh which is one of the

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first sort of serious journalistic

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you know uh attempt you know attempts on

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television

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yeah what was the Mike Farrell one

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oh I don't know I don't remember yeah

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it's notorious because

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um there's an interview

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in silhouette of course where this guy

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claims that

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um aliens prefer strawberry ice cream

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and my thought at the time because I'm

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lactose intolerant was all of them

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there's not a few that go I'm going to

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get bloated I want to pass Can I Do

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Vanilla do I have to do strawberry every

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time yeah I mean there's several

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different species of aliens so I'm told

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and they all just like strawberry ice

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cream it's that's see that strains

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credulity yeah and we have 31 Flavors so

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yeah come on and strawberry is not the

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best it is not it's the one you eat when

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that's all that's left from the

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Neapolitan ice cream in the freezer you

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eat the strawberry stripe last yeah

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right oh my God that's so true

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um

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to touch base on I just heard recently I

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don't know if you you anyone knows this

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if you know it please chime in on the

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the chat room

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um Richard Dodie the infamous Richard

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Dodie I believe was the person in

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silhouette on the Mike Farrell oh really

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oh yeah so we we can think that um that

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the creative mind of Richard Doty yeah

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yeah I know yeah and I guess he's now

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trying these days he's kind of trying to

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rehabilitate himself as a as a UFO

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purse like uh me on on the side of

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disclosure isn't he no no I think he's

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kind of because he was you know one of

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the Mirage Men as they say yeah

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um you know working in conjunction with

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NSA Greg Bishop wrote a great book on it

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um I think it's it's um I think it's

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just kind of like well he's the closest

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we're gonna get even though this guy

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basically caused someone to kill himself

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yeah he's a Monster yeah I don't know

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why he's welcome he's got that smile

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that he fixes to his face every time he

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goes out and everything and now I'm

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gonna be tapped for surveillance because

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of that comment yep you too but he is he

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is he is I mean that's

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the thing uh part of what I mean I mean

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I've had this conversation with uh my

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friend uh Jeremy Corbell never heard of

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him in the past yeah and uh about the

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fact that um

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to a great extent uh comedians sort of

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uh played a pretty uh effective role in

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the work of people like Dodie

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um in picking up the misinformation and

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picking up the uh misinterpretation and

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the the uh mischaracterization of UFO

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experiencers

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kind of running with it because for the

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cheap laugh

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um and so so I you know I feel like we

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you know everyone who

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sort of like like people talk a lot

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about disclosure now that and I think

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the most

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to me one of the more important things

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is to try to undo some of the damage

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that the um should I wait for this

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excuse me there we go

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um

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but just that just the fact that

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people's lives like like you know

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obviously Dodie deliberately drove a man

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to Suicide

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um

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but just so many people's lives have

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been damaged by seeing something that

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they couldn't explain and then being

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marginalized and humiliated for talking

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about it right you know so if they did

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talk about it their lives could be

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ruined and if they didn't talk about it

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their lives could be affected because

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they had this amazing thing they saw

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that they couldn't talk about

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yeah well there's um in my upcoming um

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three-part doc there's a great

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um bite that that I um snatch of our

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interview that we did with you

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um we are talking about how you know it

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was fodder it was fair game and you

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started to kind of reflect on that and

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go wow did I in some way my

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contemporaries contribute

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to that inadvertently we did oh I think

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still and even even going up to like the

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like even I think

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uh I think like Saturday Night Live was

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still making snide jokes about uh the

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New York Times article you know and

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still you know

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uh you know basically if you go I think

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probably it'd be easy to go through the

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history of UFO major UFO sightings and

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then find uh jokes being made about it

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on The Tonight Show or you know Merv

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Griffin or you know or any of the

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popular talk shows of the day and uh you

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know you would hear the jokes uh you

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know basically saying whoever says they

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saw this are crazy

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yeah and it's weird because

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um we have acceptance and an agenda

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right now at least that's what the

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government is telling us about not

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ridiculing people who are reporting UFOs

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but when it comes to experiencers it's

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still that thing where you know if if

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someone tells you that here was a craft

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that I saw and here's what happened I

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was taken and went through these things

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and everything that's horrific and I

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have PTSD which by the way you can't

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fake and you can actually see

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um on MRIs and and and brain scans

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um it's like if you were to say to

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someone oh really in another context or

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really you're abducted what what did the

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van look like oh it was black uh-huh and

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then was there duct tape and rope in

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there you'd never do that yeah but yeah

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it's funny how everyone's talks about

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duct tape and rope that's funny you know

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you know it's like yeah yeah like that

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even yeah the corroborating evidence is

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what is used to debunk you right the

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fact that other people have said I've

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had the same experience appearance is

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part of how they debunk you as opposed

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to going that's what we normally call

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corroborative evidence yeah all these

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people can't be having the same thing

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yeah what what that's yeah except that

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they're all coordinating to copy each

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other yeah yeah yeah

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um I have um it's funny I I don't know

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if you've how many people that you've

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met that are experiencers a few yeah

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yeah and it always blows me away because

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you know I I feel like I've been this

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kind of armchair Enthusiast and and

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moving more into the armchair you know

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researcher into this and hardcore and I

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went to an experience or support group

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and that blew me away I mean it was uh I

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didn't expect to see the caliber of of

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people not that I expected to see

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something that wasn't that but I I

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didn't expect it to be you know hit with

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a room full of 15 people that have given

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talks at TED Talk

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you know supervisor Homeland Security

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major in the Army and lawyers doctors

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and all of them highly credible and um

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yeah and so

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um I'm you know I I feel like the people

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who are in the military who have seen

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UFOs have a seat at the table with the

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military and with others

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but no one's created that space for the

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experiencers who may have the answers

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because they're the ones that are you

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know front of the line they've

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interacted yeah yeah and it's and it's

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weird because and even I know that I was

552
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:12,000
reluctant to take the you know the

553
00:22:16,909 --> 00:22:13,679
experience your story or the abductee

554
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:16,919
story as we used to call it

555
00:22:21,470 --> 00:22:19,679
um as seriously and I think just because

556
00:22:22,490 --> 00:22:21,480
it was

557
00:22:25,010 --> 00:22:22,500
um

558
00:22:27,230 --> 00:22:25,020
I I guess I try I I guess like a lot of

559
00:22:28,850 --> 00:22:27,240
people I tried to sort of be a nuts and

560
00:22:30,409 --> 00:22:28,860
bolts guy about this and go well I'm

561
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:30,419
looking at the data and that's what it

562
00:22:34,490 --> 00:22:31,919
said there's a lot of data that you

563
00:22:37,370 --> 00:22:34,500
can't deny and a lot of credible reports

564
00:22:39,470 --> 00:22:37,380
and a lot of you know you know uh uh

565
00:22:42,409 --> 00:22:39,480
corroborating evidence from radar and

566
00:22:46,010 --> 00:22:42,419
multiple sightings and you know skilled

567
00:22:47,570 --> 00:22:46,020
observers and and but then the abductee

568
00:22:50,330 --> 00:22:47,580
thing you sort of go I don't want to

569
00:22:51,950 --> 00:22:50,340
know about that it's just too weird and

570
00:22:55,010 --> 00:22:51,960
you kind of just push it out of your

571
00:22:56,990 --> 00:22:55,020
head but it's it's just

572
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:57,000
at a certain point you kind of go well

573
00:23:00,770 --> 00:22:58,640
if I accept that these craft are here

574
00:23:03,169 --> 00:23:00,780
wherever they're from even if they're

575
00:23:04,970 --> 00:23:03,179
from here uh but you know from a

576
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:04,980
different here

577
00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:08,400
um but if I set that they're real it

578
00:23:12,890 --> 00:23:11,280
makes no logical sense to reject the

579
00:23:16,430 --> 00:23:12,900
experience or stories

580
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:16,440
because if these craft are here and

581
00:23:20,510 --> 00:23:18,720
they're piloted by beings that are that

582
00:23:22,430 --> 00:23:20,520
much more advanced than we are and they

583
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:22,440
have to be

584
00:23:28,130 --> 00:23:25,440
um it would be ludicrous for us not to

585
00:23:30,830 --> 00:23:28,140
be being abducted

586
00:23:33,529 --> 00:23:30,840
well if you if you kind of um

587
00:23:36,770 --> 00:23:33,539
stretch out mankind

588
00:23:39,230 --> 00:23:36,780
and we look at the past where we go and

589
00:23:40,730 --> 00:23:39,240
capture tag we knock them out we

590
00:23:41,930 --> 00:23:40,740
tranquilize you know animals and stuff

591
00:23:44,750 --> 00:23:41,940
and do this

592
00:23:47,149 --> 00:23:44,760
for their own good and our own good

593
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:47,159
um it would make sense that you know we

594
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:50,159
would maybe do that down the road you

595
00:23:56,510 --> 00:23:52,799
know once we get to that place

596
00:23:59,690 --> 00:23:56,520
um but it um it just kind of feels like

597
00:24:02,990 --> 00:23:59,700
I don't understand why people who do

598
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:03,000
believe in in UFOs are totally cool with

599
00:24:06,890 --> 00:24:04,799
the concept that they're coming by in

600
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:06,900
these crafts different shapes and sizes

601
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:08,640
because all of our cars don't come in

602
00:24:11,950 --> 00:24:10,559
the same shape and they wouldn't think

603
00:24:15,049 --> 00:24:11,960
that they would you know pull over

604
00:24:18,590 --> 00:24:15,059
stretch your legs maybe do something

605
00:24:23,450 --> 00:24:18,600
else walk around do some studies gather

606
00:24:24,649 --> 00:24:23,460
some data uh right yeah that yeah or

607
00:24:27,049 --> 00:24:24,659
just even the notion that they would

608
00:24:27,950 --> 00:24:27,059
have some reason for being here

609
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:27,960
um

610
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:29,520
you know the idea they would be here and

611
00:24:36,049 --> 00:24:33,600
not have some uh agenda is is harder to

612
00:24:37,850 --> 00:24:36,059
believe than that they do have one

613
00:24:41,390 --> 00:24:37,860
right

614
00:24:44,090 --> 00:24:41,400
um now the last time we spoke you were

615
00:24:44,990 --> 00:24:44,100
leaning towards and I'm curious if

616
00:24:47,210 --> 00:24:45,000
you're still

617
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:47,220
um in that lane because there's so many

618
00:24:53,210 --> 00:24:49,679
different Lanes of the phenomenon you

619
00:24:55,789 --> 00:24:53,220
know we've got the um Dr Michael Masters

620
00:24:57,770 --> 00:24:55,799
they're us from the future and then we

621
00:25:02,570 --> 00:24:57,780
have interdimensional

622
00:25:05,330 --> 00:25:02,580
um and you seem to be kind of

623
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:05,340
planting your flag in the virtue or the

624
00:25:11,390 --> 00:25:07,919
simulated rally hypothesis the Nick

625
00:25:13,610 --> 00:25:11,400
Bostrom well it's it's it's one it's

626
00:25:15,710 --> 00:25:13,620
more just one that I can't I can't think

627
00:25:16,669 --> 00:25:15,720
of a good way to dismiss and I wish I

628
00:25:21,049 --> 00:25:16,679
could

629
00:25:24,169 --> 00:25:21,059
uh because it I started um

630
00:25:26,090 --> 00:25:24,179
started looking uh

631
00:25:27,710 --> 00:25:26,100
it was a number of things I was also

632
00:25:30,590 --> 00:25:27,720
talking about thinking a lot about

633
00:25:31,690 --> 00:25:30,600
Consciousness and thinking about

634
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:31,700
um

635
00:25:35,810 --> 00:25:34,559
Consciousness after death

636
00:25:38,570 --> 00:25:35,820
um thinking about things like ghost

637
00:25:40,610 --> 00:25:38,580
phenomenon and you know reincarnation

638
00:25:41,570 --> 00:25:40,620
and I remember reading Leslie Kane's

639
00:25:43,490 --> 00:25:41,580
book

640
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:43,500
um and really and starting really

641
00:25:46,010 --> 00:25:44,640
starting to think

642
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,020
you know because I'm an atheist so I've

643
00:25:50,570 --> 00:25:48,480
always believed that uh you know that

644
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:50,580
the Universe collapses into nothingness

645
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,279
when our brain stops you know as far as

646
00:25:56,930 --> 00:25:55,440
you the individual is concerned that all

647
00:26:00,769 --> 00:25:56,940
all uh

648
00:26:02,570 --> 00:26:00,779
you know everything ceases

649
00:26:03,890 --> 00:26:02,580
um but then like reading Leslie's book

650
00:26:06,289 --> 00:26:03,900
and I also read some other stuff about

651
00:26:07,730 --> 00:26:06,299
reincarnation and started thinking well

652
00:26:09,470 --> 00:26:07,740
maybe there is something to

653
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:09,480
Consciousness you know and it's also

654
00:26:14,570 --> 00:26:12,240
something called the Princeton uh Global

655
00:26:16,190 --> 00:26:14,580
Consciousness project where they

656
00:26:18,409 --> 00:26:16,200
basically map the effects of

657
00:26:21,950 --> 00:26:18,419
Consciousness outside the body and how

658
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:21,960
it affects how it can be how it can

659
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:26,400
like affect uh like uh like uh what do

660
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:27,919
they call random number generators

661
00:26:32,269 --> 00:26:31,200
outside of uh and just be by paying

662
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:32,279
attention to them you could affect

663
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:33,840
random number generous it makes them

664
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:36,000
stop being random

665
00:26:39,169 --> 00:26:37,440
and so saying all right well maybe

666
00:26:40,850 --> 00:26:39,179
cautious can exist outside the brain but

667
00:26:44,090 --> 00:26:40,860
then I thought but but maybe that still

668
00:26:45,769 --> 00:26:44,100
ceases uh when we die and then you know

669
00:26:47,149 --> 00:26:45,779
talking about thinking about things like

670
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:47,159
ghosts and recanish I thought well maybe

671
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:49,679
that maybe maybe there is some sort of

672
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:51,840
persistence after death

673
00:26:56,029 --> 00:26:54,240
and then and then Nick Bostrom came

674
00:26:57,409 --> 00:26:56,039
along and wrecked it

675
00:27:03,710 --> 00:26:57,419
because

676
00:27:08,750 --> 00:27:03,720
uh uh makes almost everything

677
00:27:11,870 --> 00:27:08,760
about almost all paranormal and um

678
00:27:15,230 --> 00:27:11,880
religious experience uh

679
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:15,240
makes almost all of it um suddenly

680
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:16,559
explicable

681
00:27:26,450 --> 00:27:23,760
that the parent paranormal I think are

682
00:27:28,909 --> 00:27:26,460
really just data compression errors in a

683
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:28,919
simulation if it's a simulation so and

684
00:27:31,130 --> 00:27:30,000
it's funny actually I have to think

685
00:27:32,269 --> 00:27:31,140
about it I actually heard Nick Bostrom

686
00:27:34,010 --> 00:27:32,279
say well if you were to look for

687
00:27:36,890 --> 00:27:34,020
evidence of it being a simulation you

688
00:27:39,230 --> 00:27:36,900
might look for things like uh a sense of

689
00:27:39,769 --> 00:27:39,240
past lives

690
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:39,779
um

691
00:27:42,529 --> 00:27:41,279
and as you know because I started

692
00:27:44,090 --> 00:27:42,539
thinking well I guess you would if you

693
00:27:45,529 --> 00:27:44,100
were creating a simulation unless you

694
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:45,539
were to create a universe size

695
00:27:49,370 --> 00:27:47,279
simulation which is pointless because

696
00:27:51,169 --> 00:27:49,380
then you're creating a universe you've

697
00:27:53,810 --> 00:27:51,179
got to compress

698
00:27:55,970 --> 00:27:53,820
and and one of the things I thought well

699
00:27:58,430 --> 00:27:55,980
okay well things like the

700
00:28:00,529 --> 00:27:58,440
the wave function in quantum physics

701
00:28:02,390 --> 00:28:00,539
makes a lot more sense if it's a

702
00:28:04,970 --> 00:28:02,400
simulation and you're running parallel

703
00:28:06,890 --> 00:28:04,980
parallel programs parallel processing

704
00:28:09,890 --> 00:28:06,900
and you're you know running multiple

705
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:09,900
programs at the same time uh so wave

706
00:28:14,930 --> 00:28:12,240
function makes sense uh past lives make

707
00:28:17,930 --> 00:28:14,940
sense because you would create a

708
00:28:20,570 --> 00:28:17,940
conscious entities in your program but

709
00:28:22,850 --> 00:28:20,580
uh when they run their course within the

710
00:28:25,250 --> 00:28:22,860
program you'd recycle them you would

711
00:28:28,490 --> 00:28:25,260
take take the program take the essential

712
00:28:31,730 --> 00:28:28,500
the The Entity wipe it of its memories

713
00:28:33,169 --> 00:28:31,740
and then reuse it uh because it'd be a

714
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:33,179
way to save space

715
00:28:38,930 --> 00:28:36,960
but sometimes the The Entity might not

716
00:28:40,250 --> 00:28:38,940
get wiped properly so it might carry

717
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:40,260
some memories

718
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:43,679
into the into the next uh cycle and so

719
00:28:48,649 --> 00:28:46,080
that would be perceived by The Entity as

720
00:28:50,570 --> 00:28:48,659
having had a past life like a corrupt

721
00:28:53,450 --> 00:28:50,580
file where you're seeing some of the

722
00:28:55,850 --> 00:28:53,460
other okay so so everything makes

723
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:55,860
everything starts to make more sense

724
00:29:00,590 --> 00:28:58,559
um if the simulation is real and and

725
00:29:03,710 --> 00:29:00,600
also the you know the mathematical

726
00:29:05,810 --> 00:29:03,720
proposition that

727
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:05,820
that if uh

728
00:29:11,690 --> 00:29:08,880
that if one simulation is ever created

729
00:29:13,850 --> 00:29:11,700
then the likelihood is

730
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:13,860
that uh

731
00:29:19,310 --> 00:29:17,039
it's very unlikely that anyone the

732
00:29:22,130 --> 00:29:19,320
majority of of

733
00:29:24,169 --> 00:29:22,140
conscious beings in the universe

734
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:24,179
the majority of them are most likely in

735
00:29:27,470 --> 00:29:25,440
a simulation because there would be

736
00:29:30,110 --> 00:29:27,480
vastly more simulations than original

737
00:29:32,330 --> 00:29:30,120
universes

738
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:32,340
right which

739
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:34,559
boy that's the deepest Rabbit Hole I

740
00:29:39,710 --> 00:29:36,960
think of all I mean yeah when you ask

741
00:29:42,169 --> 00:29:39,720
uh Nick I got a chance to talk to him

742
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:42,179
and and was saying is this like are you

743
00:29:47,450 --> 00:29:44,880
saying this is kind of a um symbolic

744
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:47,460
symbolism when you say that there's

745
00:29:50,450 --> 00:29:49,440
aliens

746
00:29:53,090 --> 00:29:50,460
um

747
00:29:55,970 --> 00:29:53,100
that that have created this for whatever

748
00:29:57,289 --> 00:29:55,980
reason is that just kind of like an you

749
00:29:58,490 --> 00:29:57,299
know an allegory or something and he

750
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:58,500
says no no

751
00:30:03,230 --> 00:30:00,720
it's I'm saying literally

752
00:30:04,490 --> 00:30:03,240
that there are extraterrestrials that

753
00:30:06,289 --> 00:30:04,500
are come here they're extraterrestrials

754
00:30:08,510 --> 00:30:06,299
in the sense that they're all-powerful

755
00:30:11,210 --> 00:30:08,520
and created this thing as we know the

756
00:30:14,269 --> 00:30:11,220
world and everything and um and that

757
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:14,279
we're living that and all of us trying

758
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:15,600
to figure out what happens I always

759
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:17,279
wonder what happens if someone figures

760
00:30:21,409 --> 00:30:18,960
out how to get to the princess and Skip

761
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:21,419
all the different levels do they get

762
00:30:25,549 --> 00:30:23,520
taken out yeah well here's the thing

763
00:30:27,649 --> 00:30:25,559
that I occurred to me that I haven't

764
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:27,659
heard Nick Bostrom

765
00:30:33,529 --> 00:30:30,799
address so I don't know if it's anyone

766
00:30:34,250 --> 00:30:33,539
suggested it is that

767
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,260
um

768
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:36,720
if we're in a simulation

769
00:30:44,090 --> 00:30:39,120
the likelihood is that the simulation

770
00:30:45,409 --> 00:30:44,100
wasn't created uh about us at all

771
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:45,419
um

772
00:30:49,789 --> 00:30:47,039
you know and it's not it's not I don't

773
00:30:51,710 --> 00:30:49,799
think it's an ancestor simulation and I

774
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:51,720
don't think it's a game

775
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:55,440
because I think the the ours I think

776
00:30:59,450 --> 00:30:56,640
it's probably more like like Donald

777
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:59,460
Hoffman his theories about reality he's

778
00:31:04,730 --> 00:31:01,200
been running these uh evolutionary

779
00:31:07,250 --> 00:31:04,740
simulations in his computer right and uh

780
00:31:10,570 --> 00:31:07,260
so he creates very rudimentary entities

781
00:31:13,549 --> 00:31:10,580
that have very few goals and and and

782
00:31:15,049 --> 00:31:13,559
possible choices and they evolve over

783
00:31:18,110 --> 00:31:15,059
thousands and thousands of generations

784
00:31:21,409 --> 00:31:18,120
to appear to have intelligence or appear

785
00:31:22,669 --> 00:31:21,419
to have like uh uh be making choices

786
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:22,679
that are Guided by some sort of

787
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:23,760
intelligence

788
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,440
right and it's all just done in an

789
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:27,120
evolutionary model

790
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:28,799
um so those are the kind of models we

791
00:31:32,450 --> 00:31:30,840
create

792
00:31:34,130 --> 00:31:32,460
um so probably the model we're in was

793
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:34,140
created for the same reason we create

794
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:36,720
models to solve problems

795
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:39,360
to run simulations to solve problems

796
00:31:42,350 --> 00:31:41,039
that are important to the people running

797
00:31:43,970 --> 00:31:42,360
the program

798
00:31:46,430 --> 00:31:43,980
and if you're running an evolutionary

799
00:31:48,649 --> 00:31:46,440
model things are going to occur within

800
00:31:49,970 --> 00:31:48,659
it that you have no interest at all that

801
00:31:51,789 --> 00:31:49,980
have nothing to do with this problem

802
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:51,799
you're solving and that could be us

803
00:31:56,810 --> 00:31:54,960
right we could be just a tangential

804
00:31:59,210 --> 00:31:56,820
thing that got created by these this

805
00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:59,220
universe simulation

806
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:01,440
but what the people who created the

807
00:32:04,970 --> 00:32:03,120
program are interested in is on the

808
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:04,980
other side of the universe and has

809
00:32:10,610 --> 00:32:07,919
nothing to do with us

810
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:10,620
right or some guy in his basement

811
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:12,000
yeah figure out what we're gonna do for

812
00:32:15,470 --> 00:32:13,679
that day yeah but I'm just saying

813
00:32:17,930 --> 00:32:15,480
whoever ran that program might never

814
00:32:19,730 --> 00:32:17,940
even notice that we're in it

815
00:32:21,649 --> 00:32:19,740
because it's just gone and had a life of

816
00:32:23,510 --> 00:32:21,659
its own well they they might not be

817
00:32:25,970 --> 00:32:23,520
interested in that part of the data

818
00:32:28,190 --> 00:32:25,980
that's depressing man you know that that

819
00:32:30,050 --> 00:32:28,200
I mean if you've created a simulation of

820
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:30,060
an entire universe

821
00:32:31,789 --> 00:32:30,960
[Music]

822
00:32:33,649 --> 00:32:31,799
um

823
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:33,659
yeah what you're not gonna care about

824
00:32:36,889 --> 00:32:35,279
everything that happens in that Universe

825
00:32:38,510 --> 00:32:36,899
you're going to care about you're going

826
00:32:40,130 --> 00:32:38,520
to care about the problem you set out to

827
00:32:41,870 --> 00:32:40,140
solve

828
00:32:42,830 --> 00:32:41,880
okay I don't even care I don't care

829
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:42,840
about this interview I don't care about

830
00:32:46,250 --> 00:32:45,120
anything this is depressing so yeah but

831
00:32:49,610 --> 00:32:46,260
I do care about

832
00:32:51,649 --> 00:32:49,620
our listeners questions oh yes oh I see

833
00:32:52,970 --> 00:32:51,659
them down here now yeah so let's uh go

834
00:32:54,590 --> 00:32:52,980
ahead and take this first one because I

835
00:32:56,990 --> 00:32:54,600
always love settling an argument between

836
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:57,000
friends there's nothing more oh loving

837
00:33:01,310 --> 00:32:58,320
than that can we can we settle that do I

838
00:33:04,029 --> 00:33:01,320
get to decide you do um I will I've

839
00:33:07,490 --> 00:33:04,039
always well I've always been a a a

840
00:33:09,950 --> 00:33:07,500
cryptozoology skeptic I guess

841
00:33:12,769 --> 00:33:09,960
um but again I always

842
00:33:15,169 --> 00:33:12,779
I never I never dismiss anything that

843
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,179
has that persists in a cult the culture

844
00:33:19,610 --> 00:33:17,519
or multiple cultures you know that's why

845
00:33:21,169 --> 00:33:19,620
like I I'm like even though I never

846
00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:21,179
believed we have souls I still believe

847
00:33:24,769 --> 00:33:22,320
that there's something to the ghost

848
00:33:27,049 --> 00:33:24,779
phenomena because it's such a part of

849
00:33:29,389 --> 00:33:27,059
human history and human culture every

850
00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:29,399
culture has ghost stories every you know

851
00:33:33,769 --> 00:33:31,019
they're in Shakespeare they're

852
00:33:36,169 --> 00:33:33,779
everywhere so probably and I know people

853
00:33:37,549 --> 00:33:36,179
I've I have had a ghost experience as a

854
00:33:38,990 --> 00:33:37,559
kid and I know many other really

855
00:33:42,889 --> 00:33:39,000
sensible people who have had ghost

856
00:33:43,850 --> 00:33:42,899
experiences so Sasquatches I don't know

857
00:33:46,850 --> 00:33:43,860
um

858
00:33:49,009 --> 00:33:46,860
I I know that probably 90 of the people

859
00:33:52,970 --> 00:33:49,019
involved in the Sasquatch research are

860
00:33:53,690 --> 00:33:52,980
not uh not sensible people

861
00:33:56,750 --> 00:33:53,700
um

862
00:33:58,669 --> 00:33:56,760
and a lot of the the I think a lot of

863
00:34:01,490 --> 00:33:58,679
the evidence for it isn't isn't very

864
00:34:03,769 --> 00:34:01,500
good but then again there's there's

865
00:34:05,630 --> 00:34:03,779
as I understand some stuff that that is

866
00:34:07,009 --> 00:34:05,640
pretty good and pretty confusing and and

867
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:07,019
the fact that

868
00:34:12,409 --> 00:34:10,320
that these sort of uh hominid

869
00:34:13,849 --> 00:34:12,419
stories of these Omni creatures seem to

870
00:34:17,690 --> 00:34:13,859
be so pervasive

871
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:17,700
is uh interesting yeah it's it's strange

872
00:34:22,369 --> 00:34:19,440
because I've when I was a kid I was all

873
00:34:24,349 --> 00:34:22,379
into Bigfoot um Bermuda Triangle yeah me

874
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:24,359
too and so it just felt like all that

875
00:34:29,570 --> 00:34:26,159
got folded in and then later on I was

876
00:34:33,290 --> 00:34:29,580
started separating my toys you know my

877
00:34:36,829 --> 00:34:33,300
my um my phenomenons let's say and and

878
00:34:38,990 --> 00:34:36,839
that one didn't fare too well but when I

879
00:34:41,570 --> 00:34:39,000
talked to like

880
00:34:44,510 --> 00:34:41,580
um Greg bishop or you know Robbie Graham

881
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:44,520
and and jock is also Jacques valet a big

882
00:34:50,810 --> 00:34:47,280
proponent of this a lot of them

883
00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:50,820
um don't trust some reports or a lot of

884
00:34:55,310 --> 00:34:54,000
reports unless there is a a bit of high

885
00:34:57,710 --> 00:34:55,320
strangeness

886
00:35:00,349 --> 00:34:57,720
and that would definitely uh you know

887
00:35:04,370 --> 00:35:00,359
Bigfoot of Sasquatch uh her animal would

888
00:35:06,829 --> 00:35:04,380
fit into nicely and yes yeah or the um

889
00:35:10,190 --> 00:35:06,839
the bipedal seven foot tall bipedal

890
00:35:14,990 --> 00:35:10,200
wolves from from Skinwalker Ranch you

891
00:35:17,930 --> 00:35:15,000
know that you know uh and I'm you know

892
00:35:19,310 --> 00:35:17,940
uh the people who have

893
00:35:20,930 --> 00:35:19,320
claimed to have seen those they're

894
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:20,940
pretty credible people

895
00:35:27,050 --> 00:35:24,000
and so yeah the link and that's the

896
00:35:28,370 --> 00:35:27,060
thing is it's that link between uh

897
00:35:32,270 --> 00:35:28,380
you know

898
00:35:36,890 --> 00:35:32,280
um Poltergeist and ghost phenomena uh

899
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:36,900
Cryptids and UFOs it does seem like

900
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:39,119
more and more there's an overlap going

901
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:40,320
on

902
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:44,640
you know and and again again if if Nick

903
00:35:49,069 --> 00:35:46,160
bostrom's right it all makes sense

904
00:35:50,990 --> 00:35:49,079
because you can just get bleed through

905
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:51,000
from previous programs

906
00:35:54,890 --> 00:35:52,640
it's kind of like the the the

907
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:54,900
universal uh like the string theory

908
00:35:58,849 --> 00:35:56,160
where we're trying to have a universal

909
00:36:01,550 --> 00:35:58,859
theory for everything and and Nick might

910
00:36:03,230 --> 00:36:01,560
be our Our Savior if you really need

911
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:03,240
that in your life yeah it's a very

912
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:07,200
dissatisfying it is it just it closes it

913
00:36:11,329 --> 00:36:09,359
makes so much sense but it makes but

914
00:36:14,030 --> 00:36:11,339
again as I said Quantum when I hear

915
00:36:15,770 --> 00:36:14,040
about quantum mechanics uh it makes no

916
00:36:18,530 --> 00:36:15,780
sense to me except

917
00:36:20,690 --> 00:36:18,540
as part of a as a simulation then it

918
00:36:22,250 --> 00:36:20,700
makes sense right all the weirdness of

919
00:36:24,290 --> 00:36:22,260
it and all of the stuff that we're

920
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:24,300
Quantum physicists basically just have

921
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:26,880
to go well it seems like it's happening

922
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,320
so we just have to

923
00:36:32,030 --> 00:36:30,480
pretend we know why it's happening

924
00:36:35,150 --> 00:36:32,040
we're just going to smooth smooth off

925
00:36:38,089 --> 00:36:35,160
that edge a little bit Yeah so um Cali

926
00:36:41,390 --> 00:36:38,099
kid213 he wants to know if the UFOs be

927
00:36:43,370 --> 00:36:41,400
some sort of glitch repair program

928
00:36:44,450 --> 00:36:43,380
yeah it could be I mean if it's as I

929
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:44,460
said I think

930
00:36:47,930 --> 00:36:46,320
as I said so many things could just be

931
00:36:50,569 --> 00:36:47,940
glitches in the program it could be a

932
00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:50,579
repair program it could be uh it could

933
00:36:55,730 --> 00:36:54,180
be a form of data retrieval uh you know

934
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:55,740
maybe it's the mechanism maybe it's like

935
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:57,599
a bot

936
00:37:01,609 --> 00:36:59,760
that the programmers put in to go

937
00:37:03,950 --> 00:37:01,619
through and comb for for certain

938
00:37:04,970 --> 00:37:03,960
patterns of information you know maybe

939
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:04,980
that's it

940
00:37:09,710 --> 00:37:07,440
so games Game of Thrones the finale

941
00:37:11,450 --> 00:37:09,720
maybe that was a glitch well that's an

942
00:37:14,450 --> 00:37:11,460
example I never watched it but let's

943
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:16,670
um so I have a question real quickly

944
00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:19,200
before I get to Mary Grace Kirby this

945
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:22,380
comes um from my brother or my nephew

946
00:37:25,370 --> 00:37:24,240
and they want to know when you should

947
00:37:26,569 --> 00:37:25,380
know right now but your brother or your

948
00:37:28,430 --> 00:37:26,579
nephew

949
00:37:29,870 --> 00:37:28,440
my mother one of them did you grow up

950
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:29,880
with them if it's so it's your brother

951
00:37:34,670 --> 00:37:31,920
if he came along later it might be your

952
00:37:36,530 --> 00:37:34,680
nephew he was in one of the bedrooms all

953
00:37:38,930 --> 00:37:36,540
right one of the bedrooms

954
00:37:40,250 --> 00:37:38,940
um so the question is you were following

955
00:37:42,290 --> 00:37:40,260
the Phoenix Lights

956
00:37:44,089 --> 00:37:42,300
yes um do you know about the Kurt

957
00:37:46,970 --> 00:37:44,099
Russell connection

958
00:37:48,770 --> 00:37:46,980
to the Phoenix Lights uh

959
00:37:50,270 --> 00:37:48,780
oh wait a minute I I just heard about

960
00:37:52,609 --> 00:37:50,280
this recently that he was a because he's

961
00:37:55,370 --> 00:37:52,619
a pilot right yep and he was actually

962
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:55,380
flying during the Phoenix Lights yeah

963
00:37:59,329 --> 00:37:57,359
and by the way I have to back up and say

964
00:38:02,510 --> 00:37:59,339
it it wasn't my brother and it wasn't

965
00:38:04,130 --> 00:38:02,520
the nephew it was my

966
00:38:06,829 --> 00:38:04,140
my brothers

967
00:38:09,950 --> 00:38:06,839
-in-law my brother sisters

968
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:09,960
brother I'm glad now we can move it we

969
00:38:14,810 --> 00:38:11,520
could sort out that totally unimportant

970
00:38:16,849 --> 00:38:14,820
detail complete trivial BS

971
00:38:19,310 --> 00:38:16,859
um so here's what I remember from the

972
00:38:20,810 --> 00:38:19,320
Kurt Russell story uh he's flying in

973
00:38:25,370 --> 00:38:20,820
around the time that this is happening

974
00:38:27,410 --> 00:38:25,380
the Phoenix Lights 1997. and his son I

975
00:38:30,109 --> 00:38:27,420
think it was Wyatt

976
00:38:32,089 --> 00:38:30,119
um sees some strangeness in the sky and

977
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:32,099
says you know hey Dad do you see this

978
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:34,320
and he looks over and he sees this and

979
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:36,000
it is strange and he acknowledges as

980
00:38:40,130 --> 00:38:37,680
this is not normal and he's been flying

981
00:38:41,870 --> 00:38:40,140
he's a pilot Kurt Russell uh they got

982
00:38:44,030 --> 00:38:41,880
their own you know little plane for a

983
00:38:45,290 --> 00:38:44,040
very long time and he reports it he

984
00:38:48,109 --> 00:38:45,300
calls it in

985
00:38:51,230 --> 00:38:48,119
and says hey you know we're seeing this

986
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,240
are you you know he's talking to um the

987
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,280
air traffic controllers and saying are

988
00:38:58,190 --> 00:38:55,920
you seeing this or you're clocking this

989
00:39:01,550 --> 00:38:58,200
um I would love to get that recording of

990
00:39:05,329 --> 00:39:01,560
my God yeah that that would be gold but

991
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:05,339
um yeah so um I I love that so I wish

992
00:39:07,790 --> 00:39:06,480
I'd known that when I was working with

993
00:39:09,530 --> 00:39:07,800
correct it would have been fun to ask

994
00:39:11,569 --> 00:39:09,540
him about you could drop that on him and

995
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:11,579
say hey come over here put the donut

996
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:14,640
down at craft service I have to no yeah

997
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:17,280
um so um all right we can go back to the

998
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:18,480
question if you want to bring that up

999
00:39:22,849 --> 00:39:19,920
there it is Ghost Story oh My Ghost

1000
00:39:25,250 --> 00:39:22,859
Story well I was I oh yeah it's one time

1001
00:39:28,730 --> 00:39:25,260
lived in a brand new Bungalow in anti

1002
00:39:30,589 --> 00:39:28,740
Ganesh Nova Scotia and that but we'd had

1003
00:39:32,930 --> 00:39:30,599
a few weird things at the house

1004
00:39:34,430 --> 00:39:32,940
um like what I know one point my brother

1005
00:39:36,410 --> 00:39:34,440
came home late at night and heard people

1006
00:39:37,849 --> 00:39:36,420
playing ping pong in the basement and

1007
00:39:39,650 --> 00:39:37,859
opened the basement door and all the

1008
00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:39,660
lights were out

1009
00:39:42,530 --> 00:39:40,260
um

1010
00:39:46,670 --> 00:39:42,540
and uh but also in that house uh one

1011
00:39:50,329 --> 00:39:46,680
night I was in bed and I and uh there

1012
00:39:52,430 --> 00:39:50,339
was a girl at my the in at the uh at my

1013
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:52,440
bedroom door and I thought it was my

1014
00:39:57,890 --> 00:39:55,200
sister uh she had long hair in sort of

1015
00:40:00,290 --> 00:39:57,900
uh braids and was wearing like a bibbed

1016
00:40:02,270 --> 00:40:00,300
dress with the puffed shoulders which

1017
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:02,280
this is 1971 so that's how everyone

1018
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:06,000
dressed in 1971 right uh like pioneer

1019
00:40:08,329 --> 00:40:07,440
girls

1020
00:40:11,329 --> 00:40:08,339
um

1021
00:40:14,810 --> 00:40:11,339
was very common and and I went you know

1022
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:14,820
Karen and uh and this

1023
00:40:18,910 --> 00:40:17,760
girl floated across the room to the foot

1024
00:40:21,530 --> 00:40:18,920
of my bed

1025
00:40:23,930 --> 00:40:21,540
and smiled at me

1026
00:40:28,730 --> 00:40:23,940
and then faded away

1027
00:40:33,770 --> 00:40:31,609
okay so I'm gonna ask you

1028
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:33,780
what is your definition then of ghosts

1029
00:40:37,490 --> 00:40:35,280
if you're saying that

1030
00:40:40,910 --> 00:40:37,500
that you you're not sure that there is a

1031
00:40:43,370 --> 00:40:40,920
soul or Spirits what are spirits then

1032
00:40:44,810 --> 00:40:43,380
when you see well I don't know I mean

1033
00:40:45,410 --> 00:40:44,820
that's the thing that's

1034
00:40:50,450 --> 00:40:45,420
um

1035
00:40:51,770 --> 00:40:50,460
I'm open to that there could there could

1036
00:40:53,450 --> 00:40:51,780
be some other rational explanation I

1037
00:40:55,849 --> 00:40:53,460
remember there was a great there's a CBC

1038
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:55,859
radio show called ideas and years ago

1039
00:41:03,290 --> 00:40:58,800
more than 20 years ago I think

1040
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:03,300
they did an episode on um on ghosts in

1041
00:41:07,370 --> 00:41:05,520
the science of ghosts and they looked at

1042
00:41:09,530 --> 00:41:07,380
things like standing waves that can

1043
00:41:12,050 --> 00:41:09,540
resonate

1044
00:41:14,569 --> 00:41:12,060
um at the that can that can match the

1045
00:41:17,650 --> 00:41:14,579
resonant frequency of the human eye

1046
00:41:19,849 --> 00:41:17,660
and can cause visual hallucinations

1047
00:41:22,370 --> 00:41:19,859
you know so things like that that can

1048
00:41:24,530 --> 00:41:22,380
explain some things but even in that

1049
00:41:26,089 --> 00:41:24,540
special they said but the fact that the

1050
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:26,099
fact that um

1051
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:27,839
something can cause a ghost-like

1052
00:41:34,010 --> 00:41:30,720
experience in no way discounts

1053
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:34,020
the possibility that ghosts exist

1054
00:41:37,490 --> 00:41:35,760
that right that something can be similar

1055
00:41:38,770 --> 00:41:37,500
an experience that can be similar to a

1056
00:41:42,530 --> 00:41:38,780
ghost

1057
00:41:44,270 --> 00:41:42,540
doesn't dismiss the idea of an actual

1058
00:41:46,609 --> 00:41:44,280
ghost which is I think the sort of thing

1059
00:41:48,589 --> 00:41:46,619
that Mick West doesn't understand is

1060
00:41:51,010 --> 00:41:48,599
that there's a lot creating creating a a

1061
00:41:55,609 --> 00:41:51,020
perhaps reasonable facsimile of an event

1062
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:55,619
doesn't deny the event itself yeah well

1063
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:58,079
there's you know there are Skeptics

1064
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:00,960
there's debunkers

1065
00:42:04,910 --> 00:42:03,359
um and I was was having trouble finding

1066
00:42:08,089 --> 00:42:04,920
you know labeling myself branding myself

1067
00:42:10,490 --> 00:42:08,099
what what am I in and and

1068
00:42:12,829 --> 00:42:10,500
um I I guess analyst

1069
00:42:13,849 --> 00:42:12,839
is the best we look at the data yeah and

1070
00:42:15,650 --> 00:42:13,859
go from there but we're not going to

1071
00:42:18,410 --> 00:42:15,660
accept something face value so if I hear

1072
00:42:21,470 --> 00:42:18,420
that there's you know Peruvian uh giants

1073
00:42:24,410 --> 00:42:21,480
that are 15 feet tall I say yeah can I

1074
00:42:26,690 --> 00:42:24,420
see them at the Smithsonian if not my my

1075
00:42:29,870 --> 00:42:26,700
bias is always that life is probably

1076
00:42:32,030 --> 00:42:29,880
more boring than I want it to be

1077
00:42:35,089 --> 00:42:32,040
um so that that leads me to be a skeptic

1078
00:42:38,990 --> 00:42:35,099
so yeah like I so I don't

1079
00:42:41,210 --> 00:42:39,000
you know I don't leap it at um

1080
00:42:42,490 --> 00:42:41,220
at uh incidents and go oh there there

1081
00:42:46,670 --> 00:42:42,500
that's exactly that proves everything

1082
00:42:48,170 --> 00:42:46,680
but some things you go well that asks a

1083
00:42:49,609 --> 00:42:48,180
lot of questions that can't be answered

1084
00:42:52,130 --> 00:42:49,619
right you know

1085
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:52,140
and the you know there's the the prosaic

1086
00:42:57,470 --> 00:42:54,720
answers when the prosaic answers are

1087
00:43:00,530 --> 00:42:57,480
more complex than the extraordinary

1088
00:43:02,150 --> 00:43:00,540
answer yeah then probably then you got

1089
00:43:04,609 --> 00:43:02,160
to kind of look at the the uh

1090
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:04,619
extraordinary answer as possibly being

1091
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:07,440
the true one yeah after you move past

1092
00:43:10,970 --> 00:43:09,599
Auckland razor

1093
00:43:14,030 --> 00:43:10,980
um the other thing is that sometimes

1094
00:43:16,490 --> 00:43:14,040
people will say well ghosts are um

1095
00:43:19,210 --> 00:43:16,500
what you're seeing is a residual of an

1096
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:19,220
event that happened that was maybe so

1097
00:43:24,410 --> 00:43:22,800
volatile or or emotional

1098
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:24,420
during that period and so we just

1099
00:43:28,609 --> 00:43:25,920
happened to see this recorder playing

1100
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:28,619
this over yeah I've heard that theory

1101
00:43:33,410 --> 00:43:30,960
but that theory is no less extraordinary

1102
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,420
than the idea that a soul is Left Behind

1103
00:43:37,309 --> 00:43:35,280
good point because if you're going to

1104
00:43:39,530 --> 00:43:37,319
believe that inanimate objects carry a

1105
00:43:42,109 --> 00:43:39,540
some sort of a recording ability

1106
00:43:44,809 --> 00:43:42,119
uh you know the houses and buildings and

1107
00:43:48,650 --> 00:43:44,819
and trees and the grass can can record

1108
00:43:50,210 --> 00:43:48,660
events yeah then then uh then you're not

1109
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:50,220
really uh

1110
00:43:53,870 --> 00:43:52,079
you know you're not far off just saying

1111
00:43:56,210 --> 00:43:53,880
oh it's a ghost

1112
00:43:58,010 --> 00:43:56,220
right no and then when you conflate the

1113
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:58,020
two which you can because in a lot of

1114
00:44:01,490 --> 00:43:59,520
reports people have said that they've

1115
00:44:04,430 --> 00:44:01,500
seen Spirits you know deceased loved

1116
00:44:06,890 --> 00:44:04,440
ones on these crafts when they're taken

1117
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,900
yeah and so that is where I really get

1118
00:44:10,370 --> 00:44:08,880
confused because you're basically saying

1119
00:44:13,550 --> 00:44:10,380
because a lot of people say well the

1120
00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:13,560
aliens these uh other the others of

1121
00:44:17,450 --> 00:44:15,180
visitors as Willie strieber calls them

1122
00:44:19,730 --> 00:44:17,460
can change and can make you see this

1123
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:19,740
like tricksters and so if they're and

1124
00:44:23,450 --> 00:44:21,119
they do it to make you feel comfortable

1125
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:23,460
because it's like oh here's old granny

1126
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:27,359
she's here my Mammy yeah or you've got

1127
00:44:31,069 --> 00:44:29,760
um you know would that well if you if

1128
00:44:32,329 --> 00:44:31,079
you subscribe to that then you have to

1129
00:44:34,730 --> 00:44:32,339
subscribe to the fact that they can

1130
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:34,740
control that why don't they make little

1131
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:38,400
Grays or the Mantis not look so little

1132
00:44:41,450 --> 00:44:40,319
gray and not so mantis and have them

1133
00:44:44,329 --> 00:44:41,460
look like you know your favorite

1134
00:44:46,849 --> 00:44:44,339
celebrity or something yeah um so it

1135
00:44:49,370 --> 00:44:46,859
doesn't work both ways well there were

1136
00:44:51,170 --> 00:44:49,380
you there is an argument for that which

1137
00:44:54,890 --> 00:44:51,180
is that you would create something that

1138
00:44:57,230 --> 00:44:54,900
is relatable but alien because you want

1139
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,240
people to have

1140
00:45:02,750 --> 00:44:59,760
an acceptable framework

1141
00:45:04,190 --> 00:45:02,760
for their minds to grasp it so it's okay

1142
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:04,200
that you're seeing these creatures

1143
00:45:08,210 --> 00:45:05,280
because

1144
00:45:11,870 --> 00:45:08,220
you know yeah and she's doing this here

1145
00:45:14,990 --> 00:45:11,880
yeah but also the the ukr you present as

1146
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:15,000
Grays or mantids because you're

1147
00:45:19,490 --> 00:45:16,800
presenting in

1148
00:45:23,690 --> 00:45:19,500
a framework of reality that human beings

1149
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:23,700
can can digest right you know but you're

1150
00:45:28,670 --> 00:45:26,160
creating enough strangeness about the

1151
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:28,680
reality that they can also start to

1152
00:45:34,190 --> 00:45:31,920
digest the idea of aliens who may be

1153
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:34,200
vastly weirder

1154
00:45:38,510 --> 00:45:36,240
than what we're perceiving

1155
00:45:40,250 --> 00:45:38,520
but they're giving us a version that's

1156
00:45:42,770 --> 00:45:40,260
just weird enough

1157
00:45:45,290 --> 00:45:42,780
that we can be nudged along you know

1158
00:45:46,910 --> 00:45:45,300
into accepting the reality without being

1159
00:45:49,130 --> 00:45:46,920
totally freaked out by something that

1160
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:49,140
our minds just can't comprehend

1161
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:51,119
right

1162
00:45:56,510 --> 00:45:54,240
um so the thing that I'm really kind of

1163
00:45:59,210 --> 00:45:56,520
excited about I called you from the

1164
00:46:01,730 --> 00:45:59,220
airport a few days ago when I said hey

1165
00:46:03,770 --> 00:46:01,740
do you want to come on the show

1166
00:46:06,650 --> 00:46:03,780
um got some ideas of things we can talk

1167
00:46:09,230 --> 00:46:06,660
about and you mentioned oh we can talk

1168
00:46:11,450 --> 00:46:09,240
about my first sighting that I

1169
00:46:15,410 --> 00:46:11,460
comparatively recently had with Jeremy

1170
00:46:17,390 --> 00:46:15,420
Corbell and I said do not tell me I want

1171
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:17,400
to hear it fresh as the audience is

1172
00:46:23,329 --> 00:46:20,400
hearing it so let's let's do this let's

1173
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:23,339
go there yeah it was uh and first off I

1174
00:46:27,470 --> 00:46:25,440
gotta say a part of me is really just is

1175
00:46:29,690 --> 00:46:27,480
would rather I hadn't had this

1176
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:29,700
experience because I liked being

1177
00:46:34,730 --> 00:46:32,160
uh I like the intellectual Detachment of

1178
00:46:36,589 --> 00:46:34,740
having not seen anything of only caring

1179
00:46:38,450 --> 00:46:36,599
about the data you know only looking at

1180
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:38,460
the the the accounts and the

1181
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:40,800
corroborating evidence

1182
00:46:44,930 --> 00:46:41,520
um

1183
00:46:47,569 --> 00:46:44,940
so so finally seeing something uh that

1184
00:46:49,309 --> 00:46:47,579
all goes out of the window uh now I'm

1185
00:46:51,170 --> 00:46:49,319
invested

1186
00:46:52,490 --> 00:46:51,180
um but yeah there was a night in January

1187
00:46:55,069 --> 00:46:52,500
I forget I think it was like January

1188
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:55,079
12th or something like that I was out

1189
00:46:59,450 --> 00:46:56,880
visiting Jeremy Corbell and I'm sure

1190
00:47:02,089 --> 00:46:59,460
most of your uh viewers and listeners

1191
00:47:05,450 --> 00:47:02,099
probably know Jeremy he's he

1192
00:47:07,790 --> 00:47:05,460
he directed the film Bob Lazar Area 51

1193
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:07,800
and the flying saucers and has been

1194
00:47:12,829 --> 00:47:10,079
releasing uh some of them some of the

1195
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:12,839
most sort of provocative uh video

1196
00:47:17,930 --> 00:47:16,560
evidence he and Georgia yeah and he and

1197
00:47:19,370 --> 00:47:17,940
George Knapp have been putting out a lot

1198
00:47:21,950 --> 00:47:19,380
of the a lot of the videos that have

1199
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:21,960
been since Declassified by the uh by the

1200
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:24,000
Pentagon

1201
00:47:28,250 --> 00:47:25,440
um

1202
00:47:29,630 --> 00:47:28,260
so and Jeremy it also had you know was

1203
00:47:31,550 --> 00:47:29,640
frustrated that he had been you know

1204
00:47:33,770 --> 00:47:31,560
dedicated his life to the subject but

1205
00:47:36,349 --> 00:47:33,780
had never seen anything himself either

1206
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:36,359
and when I uh I was out visiting Jeremy

1207
00:47:41,390 --> 00:47:38,160
and we were out just walking his dog

1208
00:47:43,490 --> 00:47:41,400
late at night in the countryside

1209
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:43,500
on a very uh

1210
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:46,079
you know very very very clear starry

1211
00:47:50,510 --> 00:47:48,480
night and

1212
00:47:52,450 --> 00:47:50,520
it was like we're we're out and and at

1213
00:47:56,450 --> 00:47:52,460
one point I was watching the the the

1214
00:47:57,050 --> 00:47:56,460
commercial jet traffic in the distance

1215
00:47:58,609 --> 00:47:57,060
um

1216
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:58,619
going back and forth and it was such a

1217
00:48:01,609 --> 00:48:00,000
clear night and I just sort of said You

1218
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:01,619
know Jeremy this would be a really good

1219
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:03,920
night to see something no

1220
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:08,640
yeah and uh within five minutes

1221
00:48:16,609 --> 00:48:12,720
uh Jeremy goes Dave turn around

1222
00:48:18,290 --> 00:48:16,619
and I turn around and uh off on the

1223
00:48:19,250 --> 00:48:18,300
horizon it's basically the same

1224
00:48:21,950 --> 00:48:19,260
direction that I've been watching the

1225
00:48:24,290 --> 00:48:21,960
commercial traffic uh there was this

1226
00:48:25,370 --> 00:48:24,300
really bright object you know still I

1227
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:25,380
could still see all of the commercial

1228
00:48:29,089 --> 00:48:27,839
traffic in the background all the stars

1229
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:29,099
in the background

1230
00:48:34,670 --> 00:48:31,680
and um

1231
00:48:38,349 --> 00:48:34,680
but the uh this object was sort of an

1232
00:48:40,970 --> 00:48:38,359
orange an orangey golden glowing object

1233
00:48:43,370 --> 00:48:40,980
and on the front of it were three white

1234
00:48:44,930 --> 00:48:43,380
lights or at least what we assumed was

1235
00:48:46,910 --> 00:48:44,940
the front because that was the side that

1236
00:48:48,290 --> 00:48:46,920
was coming towards us

1237
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:48,300
um it could have been backing up I don't

1238
00:48:52,370 --> 00:48:49,680
know

1239
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:52,380
um I didn't hear a beeping sound uh yeah

1240
00:48:56,569 --> 00:48:54,240
but so

1241
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:56,579
and we watched it at a distance and all

1242
00:49:00,349 --> 00:48:57,839
the time we're watching it I kept

1243
00:49:01,970 --> 00:49:00,359
thinking uh all right as this gets

1244
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:01,980
closer it's going to resolve itself into

1245
00:49:07,370 --> 00:49:04,319
something boring uh you know I just have

1246
00:49:08,809 --> 00:49:07,380
to let it get closer and um and uh but

1247
00:49:11,809 --> 00:49:08,819
it kept getting closer and closer and it

1248
00:49:12,410 --> 00:49:11,819
just kept getting weirder and weirder

1249
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:12,420
um

1250
00:49:18,589 --> 00:49:13,920
and

1251
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:18,599
the idea of

1252
00:49:23,329 --> 00:49:21,599
of uh your Consciousness not being in

1253
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:23,339
your control

1254
00:49:30,290 --> 00:49:28,430
um I didn't really think about this

1255
00:49:33,170 --> 00:49:30,300
until after it was over but but neither

1256
00:49:34,970 --> 00:49:33,180
Jeremy or I was getting neither of us uh

1257
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:34,980
were getting excited

1258
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:38,880
or commenting about what we were seeing

1259
00:49:41,870 --> 00:49:39,599
um

1260
00:49:43,790 --> 00:49:41,880
except at one point Jeremy said sort of

1261
00:49:45,710 --> 00:49:43,800
unprompted he goes I'm not even going to

1262
00:49:47,870 --> 00:49:45,720
try to take a picture of it

1263
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:47,880
which in my head I thought that's a

1264
00:49:51,530 --> 00:49:49,680
weird thing to say and especially

1265
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,540
because this is what you've dedicated

1266
00:49:55,490 --> 00:49:53,280
your life to

1267
00:49:57,290 --> 00:49:55,500
and but but I sort of just but again I

1268
00:49:59,089 --> 00:49:57,300
didn't respond to that either

1269
00:50:00,650 --> 00:49:59,099
and I just kept watching this thing as

1270
00:50:01,970 --> 00:50:00,660
it got closer and closer and it sort of

1271
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:01,980
it sort of

1272
00:50:07,250 --> 00:50:05,280
described like a a semi-circle

1273
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:07,260
above the horizon

1274
00:50:11,390 --> 00:50:09,119
uh and we were like in a mountain valley

1275
00:50:15,170 --> 00:50:11,400
so the mountains were fairly close by so

1276
00:50:19,730 --> 00:50:18,109
it uh and it came across and then it

1277
00:50:23,089 --> 00:50:19,740
just sort of hovered over the mountains

1278
00:50:25,370 --> 00:50:23,099
for a while when it got closer to us

1279
00:50:27,890 --> 00:50:25,380
and we're so we were able to really

1280
00:50:31,010 --> 00:50:27,900
watch it and get look at see all the

1281
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:31,020
details of it and I I posted the uh

1282
00:50:38,569 --> 00:50:36,000
a drawing of it on on Twitter and on on

1283
00:50:39,890 --> 00:50:38,579
Instagram a while back

1284
00:50:42,290 --> 00:50:39,900
um

1285
00:50:44,690 --> 00:50:42,300
but so and so it's hung there and there

1286
00:50:47,089 --> 00:50:44,700
was and it was the body of it was

1287
00:50:49,490 --> 00:50:47,099
orangey golden and it was like glowing

1288
00:50:51,470 --> 00:50:49,500
it was like pulse with light the body of

1289
00:50:53,089 --> 00:50:51,480
it and the light the white lights on the

1290
00:50:55,370 --> 00:50:53,099
front of it would also pulse at a

1291
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:55,380
different uh rate

1292
00:51:00,589 --> 00:50:57,119
in the on the front

1293
00:51:02,210 --> 00:51:00,599
and and after a while it just descended

1294
00:51:04,490 --> 00:51:02,220
behind the mountains

1295
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:04,500
and only after it had descended behind

1296
00:51:10,490 --> 00:51:07,680
the mountains then Jeremy went

1297
00:51:12,410 --> 00:51:10,500
dude we just saw a UFO

1298
00:51:15,230 --> 00:51:12,420
and it was only after it was gone that

1299
00:51:17,210 --> 00:51:15,240
either of us commented on it

1300
00:51:21,770 --> 00:51:17,220
and

1301
00:51:23,630 --> 00:51:21,780
weirdest thing about it as weird as the

1302
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:23,640
seeing it was was one of the and I think

1303
00:51:27,710 --> 00:51:24,720
it was about the size of like a

1304
00:51:29,450 --> 00:51:27,720
Greyhound bus or an 18-wheeler

1305
00:51:31,790 --> 00:51:29,460
um

1306
00:51:34,370 --> 00:51:31,800
and and again all the time we could see

1307
00:51:35,809 --> 00:51:34,380
the stars behind it and other air you

1308
00:51:37,790 --> 00:51:35,819
know commercial traffic in the distance

1309
00:51:39,410 --> 00:51:37,800
there was nothing we weren't seeing a

1310
00:51:41,809 --> 00:51:39,420
part of a larger thing

1311
00:51:43,309 --> 00:51:41,819
because we could see all the sky around

1312
00:51:45,470 --> 00:51:43,319
it

1313
00:51:47,690 --> 00:51:45,480
and

1314
00:51:49,970 --> 00:51:47,700
but the weirdest part was that our

1315
00:51:51,890 --> 00:51:49,980
emotional response to it there it is

1316
00:51:55,309 --> 00:51:51,900
that's the that's the drawing

1317
00:51:57,950 --> 00:51:55,319
uh which I did a day later on my iPad

1318
00:52:00,650 --> 00:51:57,960
and uh and that's exactly what it looked

1319
00:52:01,970 --> 00:52:00,660
like and here's another weird thing I

1320
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:01,980
can't draw

1321
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:06,000
I like really cannot draw at all and I

1322
00:52:09,290 --> 00:52:07,680
did this with a program I'd never used

1323
00:52:12,530 --> 00:52:09,300
before and I was able to find all the

1324
00:52:15,170 --> 00:52:12,540
tools I needed immediately to draw this

1325
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:15,180
wow and but

1326
00:52:19,849 --> 00:52:17,760
but as we were experiencing it we were

1327
00:52:20,809 --> 00:52:19,859
having no emotional response to it at

1328
00:52:22,970 --> 00:52:20,819
all

1329
00:52:25,549 --> 00:52:22,980
like both of us nothing

1330
00:52:27,049 --> 00:52:25,559
completely calm completely just

1331
00:52:30,290 --> 00:52:27,059
watching it

1332
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:30,300
and even since it happened I still have

1333
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:31,920
the same sensation

1334
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:34,559
that my emotional connection to the

1335
00:52:41,150 --> 00:52:37,680
event is dampened

1336
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:41,160
uh and it was so these if

1337
00:52:46,490 --> 00:52:43,920
it felt like the object we were

1338
00:52:47,809 --> 00:52:46,500
observing was controlling our response

1339
00:52:51,230 --> 00:52:47,819
to it

1340
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:51,240
wow and continues to control our

1341
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:56,930
so I have two questions right away

1342
00:53:00,170 --> 00:52:58,079
um

1343
00:53:04,010 --> 00:53:00,180
did it make any sound I'm guessing it

1344
00:53:05,089 --> 00:53:04,020
was no sound completely silent um you're

1345
00:53:08,510 --> 00:53:05,099
outside

1346
00:53:11,690 --> 00:53:08,520
this is night time yep you're hearing

1347
00:53:13,730 --> 00:53:11,700
crickets did that stop

1348
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:13,740
um not the night not that I can recall I

1349
00:53:17,690 --> 00:53:15,359
wasn't aware of of any other sounds

1350
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:17,700
stopping

1351
00:53:22,010 --> 00:53:19,440
um

1352
00:53:23,569 --> 00:53:22,020
yeah wasn't aware that I didn't notice

1353
00:53:26,030 --> 00:53:23,579
anyway I don't know if Jeremy noticed

1354
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:26,040
anything but I didn't notice it's it's

1355
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:27,839
interesting because

1356
00:53:34,250 --> 00:53:30,480
um James Fox had his own sighting in his

1357
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:34,260
backyard so a um an orange uh orb

1358
00:53:40,250 --> 00:53:37,440
and in his brain he went I could go and

1359
00:53:41,569 --> 00:53:40,260
get my my phone right now and and record

1360
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:41,579
this

1361
00:53:46,490 --> 00:53:43,440
but I'm not

1362
00:53:48,290 --> 00:53:46,500
I mean he's a filmmaker who he

1363
00:53:50,510 --> 00:53:48,300
specializes in this and he's like I'm

1364
00:53:52,130 --> 00:53:50,520
gonna just have this moment and it

1365
00:53:54,049 --> 00:53:52,140
sounds like Jeremy was there going this

1366
00:53:55,609 --> 00:53:54,059
moment is is for us it's not for anyone

1367
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:55,619
else sometimes it's just that individual

1368
00:54:00,530 --> 00:53:57,359
thing yeah

1369
00:54:01,970 --> 00:54:00,540
and it was as I said it I talked to

1370
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:01,980
Jeremy about it a little while ago and I

1371
00:54:07,309 --> 00:54:04,559
said it felt like

1372
00:54:09,890 --> 00:54:07,319
we were basically being told to to just

1373
00:54:13,069 --> 00:54:09,900
just stay calm and pay attention

1374
00:54:16,430 --> 00:54:13,079
right I'm going to pause here and we are

1375
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:16,440
signing off from kgra right now um and

1376
00:54:21,410 --> 00:54:19,680
remember everyone patreon please um send

1377
00:54:24,890 --> 00:54:21,420
in if you can

1378
00:54:27,950 --> 00:54:24,900
um and um for the program and and Martin

1379
00:54:29,450 --> 00:54:27,960
Willis and also um I want to say big

1380
00:54:31,309 --> 00:54:29,460
shout out to the international UFO

1381
00:54:33,530 --> 00:54:31,319
Congress convention which is still going

1382
00:54:36,349 --> 00:54:33,540
on so grab those tickets folks we'll

1383
00:54:38,750 --> 00:54:36,359
continue our um interview here and it'll

1384
00:54:41,210 --> 00:54:38,760
be on YouTube and its longer version so

1385
00:54:45,170 --> 00:54:41,220
you can always click over there

1386
00:54:47,150 --> 00:54:45,180
um so let's uh continue here so when you

1387
00:54:49,010 --> 00:54:47,160
look back on this

1388
00:54:50,930 --> 00:54:49,020
and you've drawn it were you compelled

1389
00:54:53,329 --> 00:54:50,940
to draw like you had to draw it like

1390
00:54:55,970 --> 00:54:53,339
yeah it was the next the next day I just

1391
00:54:58,730 --> 00:54:55,980
decided I needed to draw it

1392
00:55:00,109 --> 00:54:58,740
and uh as I said I can't I can't draw

1393
00:55:02,930 --> 00:55:00,119
anything

1394
00:55:05,210 --> 00:55:02,940
but I was actually able to get the

1395
00:55:07,450 --> 00:55:05,220
the sort of the the color the tone of it

1396
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:07,460
the texture of it you know the kind of

1397
00:55:13,790 --> 00:55:11,760
hazy quality it had uh the way the

1398
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:13,800
lights were arranged in the front the

1399
00:55:18,349 --> 00:55:16,559
way the front was sort of felt carved

1400
00:55:20,930 --> 00:55:18,359
out a little bit

1401
00:55:24,049 --> 00:55:20,940
you know I was able to get all of that

1402
00:55:28,490 --> 00:55:24,059
in this drawing and uh

1403
00:55:30,109 --> 00:55:28,500
you know and sent it you know to uh

1404
00:55:33,530 --> 00:55:30,119
to Jeremy

1405
00:55:34,970 --> 00:55:33,540
right away and Jeremy went oh my God

1406
00:55:37,609 --> 00:55:34,980
that's it that's exactly what it was

1407
00:55:38,990 --> 00:55:37,619
that's what I saw that's you know it was

1408
00:55:40,609 --> 00:55:39,000
like we should have had Jeremy do his

1409
00:55:43,089 --> 00:55:40,619
own version and then see you guys bring

1410
00:55:46,910 --> 00:55:43,099
them together and like a real school and

1411
00:55:49,130 --> 00:55:46,920
and as I said there's things like just

1412
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:49,140
the fact that I was able to do to do a

1413
00:55:53,390 --> 00:55:51,359
really accurate drawing of what we saw

1414
00:55:55,250 --> 00:55:53,400
it doesn't make sense

1415
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:55,260
well it's interesting because I'm

1416
00:55:58,910 --> 00:55:56,880
looking at that and I'm thinking oh we

1417
00:56:00,589 --> 00:55:58,920
had someone do this because you have

1418
00:56:02,809 --> 00:56:00,599
like lens flares

1419
00:56:05,329 --> 00:56:02,819
in the words flaring out

1420
00:56:07,490 --> 00:56:05,339
so it's not just this crude oh I'm using

1421
00:56:09,049 --> 00:56:07,500
you know the computer to draw this

1422
00:56:11,870 --> 00:56:09,059
um it it feels like there's some

1423
00:56:13,250 --> 00:56:11,880
dimension uh to it oh I know and I

1424
00:56:16,250 --> 00:56:13,260
remember as I was doing it I was like

1425
00:56:17,870 --> 00:56:16,260
shaving the sides down and changing the

1426
00:56:19,370 --> 00:56:17,880
shading a little bit and you know and

1427
00:56:21,170 --> 00:56:19,380
using tools to sort of shake get the

1428
00:56:23,210 --> 00:56:21,180
shape and the perspective of it because

1429
00:56:25,130 --> 00:56:23,220
that was kind of the that's even like

1430
00:56:26,569 --> 00:56:25,140
the angle we were viewing it at that it

1431
00:56:29,450 --> 00:56:26,579
was kind of in this three-quarter

1432
00:56:31,970 --> 00:56:29,460
position to us and it's moving slightly

1433
00:56:32,990 --> 00:56:31,980
tilted forward and goes pasture so

1434
00:56:35,210 --> 00:56:33,000
that's what that looked like so that's

1435
00:56:37,849 --> 00:56:35,220
the front of it yeah so it came it came

1436
00:56:39,650 --> 00:56:37,859
from I'd say like like uh I would

1437
00:56:41,809 --> 00:56:39,660
describe this coming from like a like a

1438
00:56:44,930 --> 00:56:41,819
two o'clock position in the sky

1439
00:56:47,530 --> 00:56:44,940
and circling around us to about a seven

1440
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:47,540
o'clock position in the sky

1441
00:56:54,410 --> 00:56:52,319
and uh but as it as it came closer to us

1442
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:54,420
it held kept it held this sort of

1443
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:01,130
um so that you so that we could see the

1444
00:57:04,609 --> 00:57:02,640
front of it but we could also see the

1445
00:57:07,069 --> 00:57:04,619
shape of it really clearly a little bit

1446
00:57:08,569 --> 00:57:07,079
of the side yeah yeah I had a

1447
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:08,579
three-quarter view of it which is which

1448
00:57:12,290 --> 00:57:09,839
is the view they want you to have in

1449
00:57:14,030 --> 00:57:12,300
your the you know in your passport uh

1450
00:57:16,370 --> 00:57:14,040
yeah

1451
00:57:18,589 --> 00:57:16,380
um we have a question here sure Dave I

1452
00:57:21,890 --> 00:57:18,599
need to ask if simulation theory is true

1453
00:57:22,849 --> 00:57:21,900
then what is it simulating I guess I

1454
00:57:24,670 --> 00:57:22,859
don't have to read these because people

1455
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:24,680
can see them yeah

1456
00:57:29,210 --> 00:57:27,599
well well here's my my

1457
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:29,220
question I mean I don't know anything

1458
00:57:34,250 --> 00:57:32,160
but but the thing I'm curious about is

1459
00:57:36,049 --> 00:57:34,260
and the thing as I said the thing that

1460
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:36,059
appeals maybe we talked about earlier is

1461
00:57:41,870 --> 00:57:40,079
that I'm assuming that the simulation is

1462
00:57:43,730 --> 00:57:41,880
was created for the same reason we

1463
00:57:45,290 --> 00:57:43,740
create simulations which is to solve

1464
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:45,300
problems that's the main reason we

1465
00:57:50,030 --> 00:57:47,760
create models computer models it's not

1466
00:57:51,650 --> 00:57:50,040
for uh you know I mean video games are a

1467
00:57:54,589 --> 00:57:51,660
market you create so you create

1468
00:57:57,770 --> 00:57:54,599
simulations for that as well but

1469
00:58:00,589 --> 00:57:57,780
most of the the models that are made on

1470
00:58:04,670 --> 00:58:00,599
very powerful computers are made to

1471
00:58:07,250 --> 00:58:04,680
model things like weather patterns or uh

1472
00:58:09,290 --> 00:58:07,260
you know the Big Bang

1473
00:58:11,630 --> 00:58:09,300
um you know or various phenomena in

1474
00:58:13,609 --> 00:58:11,640
cosmology

1475
00:58:15,710 --> 00:58:13,619
um and you know and it's you know it's

1476
00:58:17,690 --> 00:58:15,720
how we figured out that 95 of the

1477
00:58:20,270 --> 00:58:17,700
universe is missing is by running models

1478
00:58:22,430 --> 00:58:20,280
uh

1479
00:58:24,170 --> 00:58:22,440
so I'm assuming that whoever created

1480
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:24,180
this if we're in a simulation whoever

1481
00:58:30,109 --> 00:58:27,599
created the simulation was trying was

1482
00:58:32,329 --> 00:58:30,119
created it to solve specific problems

1483
00:58:34,970 --> 00:58:32,339
and perhaps it's a simulation they can

1484
00:58:37,069 --> 00:58:34,980
use and reuse and run to solve various

1485
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:37,079
different problems and I and again I

1486
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:42,480
think it's it's most likely that uh

1487
00:58:48,650 --> 00:58:46,319
the simulation isn't about us at all

1488
00:58:52,190 --> 00:58:48,660
I mean the simulation is a simulation of

1489
00:58:54,829 --> 00:58:52,200
an entire universe so we're no more

1490
00:58:56,809 --> 00:58:54,839
likely it's no more likely that we are

1491
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:56,819
the central

1492
00:59:02,390 --> 00:59:00,240
uh issue in the simulation than that

1493
00:59:05,390 --> 00:59:02,400
there is a God that created an entire

1494
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:05,400
universe just for one stupid species on

1495
00:59:10,250 --> 00:59:08,240
a really nondescript and

1496
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:10,260
unspectacular planet

1497
00:59:14,089 --> 00:59:13,200
okay clearly you're a heretic um we're

1498
00:59:15,170 --> 00:59:14,099
going to move on to the next question

1499
00:59:16,190 --> 00:59:15,180
now

1500
00:59:17,870 --> 00:59:16,200
um I'm going to read these for the

1501
00:59:19,309 --> 00:59:17,880
people who are just listening to the the

1502
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:19,319
audio

1503
00:59:23,630 --> 00:59:21,359
um this is by mostly I gotta say this

1504
00:59:25,549 --> 00:59:23,640
yeah oh I'm gonna answer this yeah the

1505
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:25,559
simulation can I answer this one uh

1506
00:59:28,609 --> 00:59:26,480
yesterday

1507
00:59:29,809 --> 00:59:28,619
oh sure sorry just so the because

1508
00:59:31,549 --> 00:59:29,819
there's there's an audience that's just

1509
00:59:33,890 --> 00:59:31,559
listening to the podcast that's true

1510
00:59:35,329 --> 00:59:33,900
yeah yeah so thank you Martin for cueing

1511
00:59:37,910 --> 00:59:35,339
me on that

1512
00:59:41,089 --> 00:59:37,920
um for Dave as for simulation theory is

1513
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:41,099
it uh if it's accurate uh would it be

1514
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:42,240
based

1515
00:59:49,849 --> 00:59:47,280
still to be the real conundrum an

1516
00:59:51,970 --> 00:59:49,859
alternative model might be one where

1517
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:51,980
Consciousness itself is fundamental

1518
00:59:57,049 --> 00:59:54,480
underlining reality

1519
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:57,059
well that's the Donald Hoffman's theory

1520
01:00:01,609 --> 00:59:59,520
that the fundamental unit of existence

1521
01:00:04,250 --> 01:00:01,619
is consciousness

1522
01:00:05,210 --> 01:00:04,260
um but I think

1523
01:00:08,329 --> 01:00:05,220
um

1524
01:00:10,609 --> 01:00:08,339
yeah there would be a base reality but

1525
01:00:12,109 --> 01:00:10,619
it would be so vastly outnumbered by

1526
01:00:15,950 --> 01:00:12,119
simulations

1527
01:00:16,970 --> 01:00:15,960
that the likelihood of any uh conscious

1528
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:16,980
being

1529
01:00:23,390 --> 01:00:20,640
in a base reality would be overwhelmed

1530
01:00:26,030 --> 01:00:23,400
by the likelihood by the just sheer

1531
01:00:28,609 --> 01:00:26,040
mathematical likelihood that you're in a

1532
01:00:31,849 --> 01:00:28,619
in a simulation and basically that the

1533
01:00:35,630 --> 01:00:31,859
notion I think the way Nick Boston put

1534
01:00:37,970 --> 01:00:35,640
is that that if we accept even a

1535
01:00:40,010 --> 01:00:37,980
an example of one

1536
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:40,020
simulation existing

1537
01:00:43,309 --> 01:00:42,000
and we're and we're in we can even look

1538
01:00:44,750 --> 01:00:43,319
at our own culture and look that we're

1539
01:00:46,670 --> 01:00:44,760
getting closer and closer and closer to

1540
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:46,680
creating one

1541
01:00:49,789 --> 01:00:47,520
um

1542
01:00:53,390 --> 01:00:49,799
that uh

1543
01:00:57,950 --> 01:00:53,400
that if if one is possible then then

1544
01:00:59,690 --> 01:00:57,960
endless billions is likely so

1545
01:01:01,309 --> 01:00:59,700
it's that that thing you know it's like

1546
01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:01,319
that How likely are you to be living in

1547
01:01:07,130 --> 01:01:05,040
the middle of time not very you know

1548
01:01:09,770 --> 01:01:07,140
um and you How likely are you to be in

1549
01:01:12,289 --> 01:01:09,780
the one real reality very unlikely if

1550
01:01:14,930 --> 01:01:12,299
simulations exist yeah the problem that

1551
01:01:17,990 --> 01:01:14,940
I have with simulation reality is that

1552
01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:18,000
it it basically

1553
01:01:20,990 --> 01:01:19,680
is is if you're saying that there is

1554
01:01:22,010 --> 01:01:21,000
someone who's creating this reality

1555
01:01:24,289 --> 01:01:22,020
right

1556
01:01:26,690 --> 01:01:24,299
pardon who's if there if someone has

1557
01:01:29,270 --> 01:01:26,700
created this reality that we're in

1558
01:01:30,890 --> 01:01:29,280
yeah that to me denotes that it doesn't

1559
01:01:32,270 --> 01:01:30,900
there's a possibility that doesn't stop

1560
01:01:34,190 --> 01:01:32,280
there

1561
01:01:36,289 --> 01:01:34,200
has someone created them

1562
01:01:38,450 --> 01:01:36,299
to be creating this reality

1563
01:01:40,250 --> 01:01:38,460
well uh oh you would definitely wind up

1564
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:40,260
with realities within realities you'd

1565
01:01:45,530 --> 01:01:42,720
wind up with with simulations within

1566
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:45,540
simulations uh if you allow if you if

1567
01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:47,040
you run your simulation as an

1568
01:01:50,510 --> 01:01:48,480
evolutionary model

1569
01:01:51,890 --> 01:01:50,520
where you don't control the parameters

1570
01:01:54,289 --> 01:01:51,900
of it and let's face it that's that's

1571
01:01:56,329 --> 01:01:54,299
where all of our human Computing is

1572
01:01:59,690 --> 01:01:56,339
going is you know into the realm of AI

1573
01:02:00,890 --> 01:01:59,700
where no one programmed the AI systems

1574
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:00,900
that exist today

1575
01:02:05,630 --> 01:02:03,839
no human program to them

1576
01:02:07,970 --> 01:02:05,640
um the best that we can do right now is

1577
01:02:10,849 --> 01:02:07,980
to struggle to try and keep up with what

1578
01:02:13,549 --> 01:02:10,859
the programs are capable of but no one

1579
01:02:15,890 --> 01:02:13,559
knows the underlying code in any of the

1580
01:02:17,450 --> 01:02:15,900
huge language models you know

1581
01:02:20,089 --> 01:02:17,460
language-based models that exist right

1582
01:02:22,370 --> 01:02:20,099
now no one no one no one has that

1583
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:22,380
information anymore what do you mean by

1584
01:02:29,089 --> 01:02:24,960
that like they lost it or it's being

1585
01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:29,099
created by the area that the AI uh the

1586
01:02:33,970 --> 01:02:31,680
neural networks in the AI have been

1587
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:33,980
writing their own code

1588
01:02:39,770 --> 01:02:37,200
for like some of them thousands of

1589
01:02:43,549 --> 01:02:40,309
um

1590
01:02:45,170 --> 01:02:43,559
of code right where the program itself

1591
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:45,180
is writing itself

1592
01:02:50,089 --> 01:02:47,280
so the programmers who created the

1593
01:02:52,549 --> 01:02:50,099
original models have no idea what's in

1594
01:02:53,930 --> 01:02:52,559
the what's in the code anymore because

1595
01:02:56,450 --> 01:02:53,940
they've left the room to get some hot

1596
01:02:58,849 --> 01:02:56,460
pockets yeah they've you know it was

1597
01:03:01,010 --> 01:02:58,859
just it was too much work you let the AI

1598
01:03:03,710 --> 01:03:01,020
write its own code at a certain point

1599
01:03:05,690 --> 01:03:03,720
humans aren't fast enough

1600
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:05,700
this is from Mike Meyer not to be

1601
01:03:09,589 --> 01:03:08,160
confused with uh Mike Myers from

1602
01:03:12,650 --> 01:03:09,599
Halloween

1603
01:03:13,309 --> 01:03:12,660
um my favorite kid I grew up watching

1604
01:03:15,230 --> 01:03:13,319
um

1605
01:03:16,970 --> 01:03:15,240
oh he's saying I guess he's saying my

1606
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:16,980
favorite kid maybe that's you I grew up

1607
01:03:20,589 --> 01:03:19,680
watching you guys on CBC and reading

1608
01:03:23,630 --> 01:03:20,599
books

1609
01:03:24,410 --> 01:03:23,640
and other yeah other Mysteries love you

1610
01:03:25,789 --> 01:03:24,420
Dave

1611
01:03:28,089 --> 01:03:25,799
oh that's not so much a question it's

1612
01:03:30,170 --> 01:03:28,099
just a compliment thank you Mike yeah

1613
01:03:32,329 --> 01:03:30,180
that's nice

1614
01:03:34,730 --> 01:03:32,339
and here's from uh Claudio pixels again

1615
01:03:36,890 --> 01:03:34,740
Dave how do you balance a degree to

1616
01:03:38,750 --> 01:03:36,900
which the UFO Community both utilizes

1617
01:03:41,329 --> 01:03:38,760
and distances itself from information

1618
01:03:43,849 --> 01:03:41,339
that comes from the government how do

1619
01:03:46,309 --> 01:03:43,859
you tell what's good info and bad info

1620
01:03:47,210 --> 01:03:46,319
boy that's the big question

1621
01:03:48,349 --> 01:03:47,220
um

1622
01:03:50,210 --> 01:03:48,359
well I think it's something with

1623
01:03:53,270 --> 01:03:50,220
anything else you have to you you

1624
01:03:58,010 --> 01:03:53,280
calibrate it based on sources that are

1625
01:04:03,530 --> 01:03:58,020
credible and corroboration of evidence

1626
01:04:09,950 --> 01:04:06,589
I'd say a blanket mistrust of government

1627
01:04:12,589 --> 01:04:09,960
is as pointless as a blanket dismissal

1628
01:04:15,829 --> 01:04:12,599
of the phenomenon

1629
01:04:18,829 --> 01:04:15,839
um and this and is unfounded uh you know

1630
01:04:20,829 --> 01:04:18,839
yes government does lie a lot yes

1631
01:04:24,890 --> 01:04:20,839
government does keep a lot of Secrets

1632
01:04:28,849 --> 01:04:24,900
but uh government is not wholly an evil

1633
01:04:31,569 --> 01:04:28,859
creation it is a creation of humans you

1634
01:04:35,390 --> 01:04:31,579
know arguably for humans

1635
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:35,400
uh and you know but people do make weird

1636
01:04:38,329 --> 01:04:37,200
decisions once they have power but I

1637
01:04:41,210 --> 01:04:38,339
think

1638
01:04:42,829 --> 01:04:41,220
is misinformation coming from the

1639
01:04:45,170 --> 01:04:42,839
government and every you know that every

1640
01:04:47,270 --> 01:04:45,180
Revelation is just uh the government

1641
01:04:48,710 --> 01:04:47,280
trying to you know when people go like

1642
01:04:51,049 --> 01:04:48,720
when people go on and on but this is

1643
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:51,059
they're creating this threat this threat

1644
01:04:56,750 --> 01:04:53,520
a scenario in order to pump up military

1645
01:04:59,210 --> 01:04:56,760
funding flag what is it called uh yeah

1646
01:05:01,069 --> 01:04:59,220
false flag false flag yeah and that's

1647
01:05:03,230 --> 01:05:01,079
just uh

1648
01:05:04,190 --> 01:05:03,240
ridiculous because there's really no

1649
01:05:09,890 --> 01:05:04,200
need

1650
01:05:12,410 --> 01:05:09,900
story to pump up military funding in the

1651
01:05:15,589 --> 01:05:12,420
United States of America

1652
01:05:19,430 --> 01:05:15,599
um uh because uh I don't know if as an

1653
01:05:22,609 --> 01:05:19,440
outsider to America I I can tell you you

1654
01:05:24,289 --> 01:05:22,619
people are crazy about your military uh

1655
01:05:26,930 --> 01:05:24,299
it's insane the amount of money that

1656
01:05:29,630 --> 01:05:26,940
America has spent on a totally pointless

1657
01:05:31,970 --> 01:05:29,640
amounts of money yeah uh you know the

1658
01:05:34,970 --> 01:05:31,980
Amer America has a military that is so

1659
01:05:37,730 --> 01:05:34,980
big it's impossible to use

1660
01:05:40,430 --> 01:05:37,740
um we're seeing you know we're seeing

1661
01:05:42,230 --> 01:05:40,440
right now uh you know with the Ukraine

1662
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:42,240
there's you know

1663
01:05:46,490 --> 01:05:44,640
there's the capability

1664
01:05:48,289 --> 01:05:46,500
to crush Russia

1665
01:05:51,170 --> 01:05:48,299
right

1666
01:05:53,210 --> 01:05:51,180
totally exists and with with so much

1667
01:05:53,930 --> 01:05:53,220
redundancy

1668
01:05:57,950 --> 01:05:53,940
um

1669
01:06:00,890 --> 01:05:57,960
but it's impossible to do politically

1670
01:06:02,150 --> 01:06:00,900
yeah well so um we're pumping way more

1671
01:06:03,770 --> 01:06:02,160
money than we're ever going to use into

1672
01:06:06,109 --> 01:06:03,780
the military and people are getting as

1673
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:06,119
rich as they possibly can

1674
01:06:11,030 --> 01:06:08,640
on the military not military spending

1675
01:06:12,650 --> 01:06:11,040
and that's been going on you know since

1676
01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:12,660
Eisenhower warned about it you know

1677
01:06:15,770 --> 01:06:14,400
right and it's interesting because if

1678
01:06:18,950 --> 01:06:15,780
you speaking of Eisenhower you look at

1679
01:06:20,809 --> 01:06:18,960
that he's of World War II era and if you

1680
01:06:24,170 --> 01:06:20,819
look at World War one that didn't happen

1681
01:06:27,470 --> 01:06:24,180
I mean Franklin Roosevelt who at the

1682
01:06:29,870 --> 01:06:27,480
time was um he held a position that was

1683
01:06:31,370 --> 01:06:29,880
working with the defense

1684
01:06:33,109 --> 01:06:31,380
um and it really wasn't the defense as

1685
01:06:35,450 --> 01:06:33,119
we know it today was trying to come up

1686
01:06:37,609 --> 01:06:35,460
with ideas and stuff like he had a

1687
01:06:40,190 --> 01:06:37,619
proposal that got shut down that he

1688
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:40,200
wanted to have tons of boats basically

1689
01:06:43,549 --> 01:06:42,240
what would become like the Coast Guard

1690
01:06:45,650 --> 01:06:43,559
that would be going off the coast

1691
01:06:47,210 --> 01:06:45,660
observing and stuff that didn't fly but

1692
01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:47,220
he did get 70

1693
01:06:52,069 --> 01:06:50,160
000 water you know mines

1694
01:06:53,569 --> 01:06:52,079
that they would just you know hang in

1695
01:06:55,789 --> 01:06:53,579
everything and some of those were found

1696
01:06:58,549 --> 01:06:55,799
some of them weren't and and friendlies

1697
01:07:00,289 --> 01:06:58,559
got taken out by our own you know but

1698
01:07:03,230 --> 01:07:00,299
yeah that was it and then it didn't

1699
01:07:05,809 --> 01:07:03,240
become a business until World War II as

1700
01:07:07,849 --> 01:07:05,819
you know where it just became like okay

1701
01:07:09,650 --> 01:07:07,859
this could happen again let's make sure

1702
01:07:10,490 --> 01:07:09,660
it doesn't but I also think the atomic

1703
01:07:12,710 --> 01:07:10,500
bomb

1704
01:07:16,730 --> 01:07:12,720
was the when that happened it was like

1705
01:07:19,069 --> 01:07:16,740
we are now on high alert constantly yeah

1706
01:07:22,370 --> 01:07:19,079
and and uh

1707
01:07:24,589 --> 01:07:22,380
and largely because of ourselves and uh

1708
01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:24,599
and also and you know the other thing is

1709
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:26,400
that when people people misunderstand

1710
01:07:30,349 --> 01:07:28,319
what the term threat is from a military

1711
01:07:31,190 --> 01:07:30,359
standpoint

1712
01:07:37,069 --> 01:07:31,200
and

1713
01:07:39,890 --> 01:07:37,079
uh you know

1714
01:07:42,230 --> 01:07:39,900
you know framed their mission in terms

1715
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:42,240
of things like threat assessments and

1716
01:07:47,829 --> 01:07:43,920
weapon development

1717
01:07:50,029 --> 01:07:47,839
because that's how you get funding

1718
01:07:51,829 --> 01:07:50,039
and it doesn't mean that they're saying

1719
01:07:53,569 --> 01:07:51,839
you know certainly uh someone like Lou

1720
01:07:55,490 --> 01:07:53,579
Elizondo who's not

1721
01:07:56,809 --> 01:07:55,500
you know running around saying the you

1722
01:07:59,630 --> 01:07:56,819
know the aliens are coming they're a

1723
01:08:01,670 --> 01:07:59,640
threat we need you know but

1724
01:08:03,410 --> 01:08:01,680
um

1725
01:08:05,569 --> 01:08:03,420
threat assessment

1726
01:08:07,609 --> 01:08:05,579
is what the military does that's

1727
01:08:09,890 --> 01:08:07,619
basically their job their only job is

1728
01:08:11,690 --> 01:08:09,900
threat assessment yeah and the

1729
01:08:15,410 --> 01:08:11,700
prevention they do

1730
01:08:18,229 --> 01:08:15,420
um the Pentagon 20 years ago did a very

1731
01:08:21,050 --> 01:08:18,239
very detailed analysis of global warming

1732
01:08:23,390 --> 01:08:21,060
as a threat assessment

1733
01:08:27,050 --> 01:08:23,400
uh they're not saying that the climate

1734
01:08:29,809 --> 01:08:27,060
is uh you know an enemy but they but

1735
01:08:32,510 --> 01:08:29,819
they they analyze global warming and

1736
01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:32,520
what threats it posed to uh the

1737
01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:36,000
stability of uh of America

1738
01:08:41,150 --> 01:08:38,640
so everything is everything in

1739
01:08:43,309 --> 01:08:41,160
uh if the military is going to be

1740
01:08:45,769 --> 01:08:43,319
involved in it it has to be from the

1741
01:08:48,530 --> 01:08:45,779
standpoint of assessing a threat

1742
01:08:50,090 --> 01:08:48,540
uh because that's their function that

1743
01:08:51,829 --> 01:08:50,100
that says a lot about the military that

1744
01:08:53,570 --> 01:08:51,839
they spent 20 years on this and they

1745
01:08:55,789 --> 01:08:53,580
still don't think it's a threat

1746
01:08:57,110 --> 01:08:55,799
well the military does but the

1747
01:09:00,769 --> 01:08:57,120
government doesn't the government

1748
01:09:03,229 --> 01:09:00,779
doesn't yeah the Pentagon uh outlined

1749
01:09:04,849 --> 01:09:03,239
literally they they described 20 years

1750
01:09:07,370 --> 01:09:04,859
ago

1751
01:09:11,390 --> 01:09:07,380
um things like a global Water shortages

1752
01:09:16,070 --> 01:09:11,400
uh increased fire hazards uh growing uh

1753
01:09:18,050 --> 01:09:16,080
Mega storms and uh climate climate

1754
01:09:19,490 --> 01:09:18,060
refugees

1755
01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:19,500
um and they were discussing this 20

1756
01:09:23,870 --> 01:09:20,880
years ago and presented it to the

1757
01:09:26,450 --> 01:09:23,880
government and uh and it was you know it

1758
01:09:28,370 --> 01:09:26,460
wasn't a secret as I said I I was uh it

1759
01:09:32,050 --> 01:09:28,380
was outlining great detail in a two-part

1760
01:09:36,169 --> 01:09:32,060
CBC documentary uh the same show ideas

1761
01:09:38,450 --> 01:09:36,179
did a great two-part uh you know

1762
01:09:40,010 --> 01:09:38,460
um analysis of that of that threat

1763
01:09:42,530 --> 01:09:40,020
assessment that was published by the by

1764
01:09:44,150 --> 01:09:42,540
the Pentagon but nobody in nobody in uh

1765
01:09:45,709 --> 01:09:44,160
American Media picked up on it and

1766
01:09:48,590 --> 01:09:45,719
nobody in the American government cared

1767
01:09:50,329 --> 01:09:48,600
about it no we're watching Mastery runs

1768
01:09:52,430 --> 01:09:50,339
um this is a question from sample

1769
01:09:55,370 --> 01:09:52,440
something how does the UFO Community

1770
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:55,380
sort through bad data uh like government

1771
01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:57,600
planting and false reports that can

1772
01:10:01,850 --> 01:10:00,480
discredit the movement

1773
01:10:04,850 --> 01:10:01,860
um for the most part it seems terribly

1774
01:10:06,310 --> 01:10:04,860
uh yeah

1775
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:06,320
um

1776
01:10:10,669 --> 01:10:08,880
as I said it's there's two ways you can

1777
01:10:13,850 --> 01:10:10,679
look you can you can just reject things

1778
01:10:16,010 --> 01:10:13,860
that that uh

1779
01:10:18,290 --> 01:10:16,020
you know uh if you if you just have a

1780
01:10:20,330 --> 01:10:18,300
knee-jerk paranoia about things then you

1781
01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:20,340
you know then you then you'll just

1782
01:10:24,649 --> 01:10:21,600
reject anything that doesn't fit the

1783
01:10:25,370 --> 01:10:24,659
pattern that you've already accepted

1784
01:10:28,010 --> 01:10:25,380
um

1785
01:10:30,590 --> 01:10:28,020
and I think the the

1786
01:10:32,149 --> 01:10:30,600
I think as with anything with UFOs or

1787
01:10:34,430 --> 01:10:32,159
anything at all anything anything you

1788
01:10:37,729 --> 01:10:34,440
ever want to think about your first goal

1789
01:10:40,610 --> 01:10:37,739
should be to reject your own ideas

1790
01:10:42,709 --> 01:10:40,620
uh to do everything you can to disprove

1791
01:10:44,149 --> 01:10:42,719
everything you believe you know all the

1792
01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:44,159
time

1793
01:10:48,410 --> 01:10:46,080
um you know always be open to the fact

1794
01:10:50,090 --> 01:10:48,420
to just just that you're infinitely

1795
01:10:51,890 --> 01:10:50,100
capable of being wrong about just about

1796
01:10:53,870 --> 01:10:51,900
anything at any given moment and I think

1797
01:10:55,130 --> 01:10:53,880
if you approach any idea from that

1798
01:10:58,310 --> 01:10:55,140
vantage point

1799
01:10:59,689 --> 01:10:58,320
uh you're going to look for better

1800
01:11:02,030 --> 01:10:59,699
evidence

1801
01:11:04,910 --> 01:11:02,040
yeah I find that um I do this thing

1802
01:11:08,510 --> 01:11:04,920
where whenever something new comes along

1803
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:08,520
you know the um the internet the

1804
01:11:13,970 --> 01:11:09,840
interwebs

1805
01:11:15,950 --> 01:11:13,980
um I always kind of gauge my enthusiasm

1806
01:11:17,090 --> 01:11:15,960
and so if I get really excited I know I

1807
01:11:19,490 --> 01:11:17,100
need to check myself

1808
01:11:21,050 --> 01:11:19,500
and I need to go okay hold on hold on

1809
01:11:22,490 --> 01:11:21,060
I'm emotionally getting connected to

1810
01:11:24,110 --> 01:11:22,500
this because it's fun and it's this and

1811
01:11:25,970 --> 01:11:24,120
that and that's great but let's really

1812
01:11:27,169 --> 01:11:25,980
do this and it feels like a lot of

1813
01:11:30,470 --> 01:11:27,179
people especially once they start

1814
01:11:33,590 --> 01:11:30,480
getting in to this field which happen in

1815
01:11:37,250 --> 01:11:33,600
a huge to a huge degree after uh you

1816
01:11:40,550 --> 01:11:37,260
know December you know of of 2000 um

1817
01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:40,560
17 you have a whole bunch of of people

1818
01:11:46,250 --> 01:11:42,080
millennials

1819
01:11:47,570 --> 01:11:46,260
genziers who who come into the fold and

1820
01:11:49,850 --> 01:11:47,580
um and they're looking at this and

1821
01:11:51,050 --> 01:11:49,860
they're going oh my God this is if this

1822
01:11:54,649 --> 01:11:51,060
is true

1823
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:54,659
you know how far does it extend out and

1824
01:11:57,709 --> 01:11:56,159
um and I'm constantly like I'll have

1825
01:11:58,729 --> 01:11:57,719
some people that'll you know connect

1826
01:12:00,110 --> 01:11:58,739
with me and say oh I didn't know you

1827
01:12:03,770 --> 01:12:00,120
were into this stuff

1828
01:12:05,209 --> 01:12:03,780
and um and I say yeah and then they hit

1829
01:12:07,430 --> 01:12:05,219
me with a few things so does that mean

1830
01:12:09,410 --> 01:12:07,440
this or that and I'm like no it doesn't

1831
01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:09,420
mean that it means what we know so far

1832
01:12:14,270 --> 01:12:12,000
and what we know is still evidential in

1833
01:12:16,370 --> 01:12:14,280
the sense that it's mostly Witness

1834
01:12:19,610 --> 01:12:16,380
you know no one has a leg that we know

1835
01:12:21,169 --> 01:12:19,620
of in the private sector of uh of a leg

1836
01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:21,179
of you know a tripod leg of one of the

1837
01:12:24,290 --> 01:12:23,280
crafts that we can see that's readily

1838
01:12:27,229 --> 01:12:24,300
available

1839
01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:27,239
yeah and though that you know that that

1840
01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:29,760
that may change

1841
01:12:33,410 --> 01:12:31,440
in the near future

1842
01:12:34,970 --> 01:12:33,420
yeah you know we may learn uh more

1843
01:12:37,850 --> 01:12:34,980
things

1844
01:12:40,430 --> 01:12:37,860
um and again it's the same thing I mean

1845
01:12:43,189 --> 01:12:40,440
they're credible evidence from credible

1846
01:12:46,490 --> 01:12:43,199
Witnesses uh certainly did not start in

1847
01:12:48,890 --> 01:12:46,500
2017 didn't start with David fraver uh

1848
01:12:52,970 --> 01:12:48,900
it goes back to Pilot's radar operators

1849
01:12:56,209 --> 01:12:52,980
you know the the the UFO uh flyover of

1850
01:12:58,430 --> 01:12:56,219
the Capitol building in 1952 was as well

1851
01:13:00,290 --> 01:12:58,440
documented as anything you ever would

1852
01:13:02,149 --> 01:13:00,300
should need to believe something's going

1853
01:13:04,490 --> 01:13:02,159
on

1854
01:13:07,370 --> 01:13:04,500
um and you know with radar evidence

1855
01:13:08,870 --> 01:13:07,380
scrambled Pilots you know uh skilled

1856
01:13:10,490 --> 01:13:08,880
observers and you know and when you have

1857
01:13:12,830 --> 01:13:10,500
debunkers going you know Pilots aren't

1858
01:13:14,450 --> 01:13:12,840
better observers than anyone else that's

1859
01:13:17,030 --> 01:13:14,460
where you go oh okay so you don't know

1860
01:13:19,189 --> 01:13:17,040
anything about what pilots are

1861
01:13:21,290 --> 01:13:19,199
um because they in fact are highly

1862
01:13:24,770 --> 01:13:21,300
trained because it's how they stay alive

1863
01:13:27,950 --> 01:13:24,780
in the sky yeah when their favorite is

1864
01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:27,960
when scientists say you know that to

1865
01:13:32,510 --> 01:13:30,480
these Pilots well you're not a scientist

1866
01:13:35,630 --> 01:13:32,520
and I'm like yeah dude you're not a

1867
01:13:37,310 --> 01:13:35,640
pilot yeah so I think if I'm out there

1868
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:37,320
and that's my airspace

1869
01:13:40,910 --> 01:13:39,120
I know what's going on that's that's my

1870
01:13:42,830 --> 01:13:40,920
job I think I'm probably a better you

1871
01:13:44,090 --> 01:13:42,840
know gauge barometer of that also when

1872
01:13:47,149 --> 01:13:44,100
people talk about well they're

1873
01:13:49,189 --> 01:13:47,159
supersonic you know um technology that

1874
01:13:52,669 --> 01:13:49,199
we've had for a while but the supersonic

1875
01:13:54,890 --> 01:13:52,679
extends to this here to here it doesn't

1876
01:13:57,229 --> 01:13:54,900
go here and then left and right and then

1877
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:57,239
hold and then continue going

1878
01:14:01,430 --> 01:13:58,560
yeah it doesn't hover it doesn't come

1879
01:14:02,750 --> 01:14:01,440
from space to sea level uh yeah it

1880
01:14:05,510 --> 01:14:02,760
doesn't do any of the things that are

1881
01:14:07,790 --> 01:14:05,520
that are that are clearly and provably

1882
01:14:10,610 --> 01:14:07,800
observed yeah and as you pointed out

1883
01:14:12,350 --> 01:14:10,620
this has been reported for decades so

1884
01:14:14,810 --> 01:14:12,360
it's not like these came at the same

1885
01:14:17,090 --> 01:14:14,820
time the technology uh Ray Nash had a

1886
01:14:19,430 --> 01:14:17,100
question uh he wants to know what is

1887
01:14:21,169 --> 01:14:19,440
your favorite Encounter of all time

1888
01:14:23,630 --> 01:14:21,179
what's the one that's like for you the

1889
01:14:25,910 --> 01:14:23,640
big Mothership that's really compelling

1890
01:14:29,270 --> 01:14:25,920
uh favorite encounter you mean

1891
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:29,280
historical encounter UFO encounter yeah

1892
01:14:32,270 --> 01:14:30,239
yeah

1893
01:14:38,810 --> 01:14:35,870
gosh I don't know I mean I think uh

1894
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:38,820
I think the aerial School sighting is

1895
01:14:43,970 --> 01:14:42,000
pretty phenomenal it's pretty amazing

1896
01:14:47,090 --> 01:14:43,980
um I think and I think for me still like

1897
01:14:48,229 --> 01:14:47,100
the Phoenix Lights is still a pretty

1898
01:14:51,189 --> 01:14:48,239
um

1899
01:14:54,229 --> 01:14:51,199
major uh you know

1900
01:14:55,970 --> 01:14:54,239
and and still frustrating because they

1901
01:14:57,169 --> 01:14:55,980
were still journalists who will keep

1902
01:15:00,530 --> 01:14:57,179
debunking

1903
01:15:03,410 --> 01:15:00,540
with the same story they were flares

1904
01:15:05,149 --> 01:15:03,420
and uh you know and even the governor of

1905
01:15:06,890 --> 01:15:05,159
the state has come out and said no they

1906
01:15:09,169 --> 01:15:06,900
weren't there was a there was a craft

1907
01:15:11,510 --> 01:15:09,179
and he admits that he saw it as well

1908
01:15:13,850 --> 01:15:11,520
yeah and thousands of people saw it it

1909
01:15:16,550 --> 01:15:13,860
traveled over 200 mile stretch of

1910
01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:16,560
Arizona and was observed for the entire

1911
01:15:21,649 --> 01:15:18,480
the entire flight

1912
01:15:23,510 --> 01:15:21,659
and because the winter the flares and

1913
01:15:26,270 --> 01:15:23,520
kept them all in uniform yeah because

1914
01:15:27,470 --> 01:15:26,280
those flares don't fall they also don't

1915
01:15:29,990 --> 01:15:27,480
they're yeah and their their

1916
01:15:32,810 --> 01:15:30,000
illumination is constant it's not

1917
01:15:33,530 --> 01:15:32,820
flickering in any way yeah

1918
01:15:35,090 --> 01:15:33,540
um

1919
01:15:37,070 --> 01:15:35,100
and people say oh well they're on they

1920
01:15:38,450 --> 01:15:37,080
have parachutes well I don't know if you

1921
01:15:40,729 --> 01:15:38,460
know this but the one thing I learned

1922
01:15:43,090 --> 01:15:40,739
about World War II was paratroopers that

1923
01:15:45,950 --> 01:15:43,100
came in parachutes they still went down

1924
01:15:48,290 --> 01:15:45,960
slower you know so they wouldn't die but

1925
01:15:50,390 --> 01:15:48,300
they still went down yeah

1926
01:15:53,030 --> 01:15:50,400
um you know and and you know and all the

1927
01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:53,040
people that saw it the eyewitnesses all

1928
01:15:58,610 --> 01:15:55,920
said it blocked out the sky

1929
01:16:01,850 --> 01:15:58,620
right you know that there were lights

1930
01:16:04,070 --> 01:16:01,860
but that the lights were organized they

1931
01:16:07,250 --> 01:16:04,080
were in a pattern and that between the

1932
01:16:10,189 --> 01:16:07,260
lights the sky was blacked out there was

1933
01:16:13,310 --> 01:16:10,199
something there obscuring the sky there

1934
01:16:16,130 --> 01:16:13,320
was a solid object yeah the the one case

1935
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:16,140
that I also um put up there but I do put

1936
01:16:20,270 --> 01:16:18,480
Ariel above all else because it's it's

1937
01:16:23,930 --> 01:16:20,280
the real life Close Encounters the Third

1938
01:16:27,050 --> 01:16:23,940
Kind in my book is um the uh O'Hare

1939
01:16:29,630 --> 01:16:27,060
uh Airport Chicago oh yeah yeah the uh

1940
01:16:30,950 --> 01:16:29,640
it's a great yeah we're punches the hole

1941
01:16:33,649 --> 01:16:30,960
through the clouds

1942
01:16:35,810 --> 01:16:33,659
yeah and um and the debunkers are pretty

1943
01:16:36,950 --> 01:16:35,820
feeble their explanations are pretty

1944
01:16:39,709 --> 01:16:36,960
feeble on that the fact they're

1945
01:16:40,970 --> 01:16:39,719
Witnesses but more importantly It's the

1946
01:16:44,270 --> 01:16:40,980
reaction

1947
01:16:46,189 --> 01:16:44,280
that the FAA had government had to this

1948
01:16:49,729 --> 01:16:46,199
and trying to you know put the cap on

1949
01:16:51,709 --> 01:16:49,739
this I mean yeah blatantly and um so

1950
01:16:54,770 --> 01:16:51,719
sometimes it's like let's base something

1951
01:16:56,209 --> 01:16:54,780
on the reaction of people not just you

1952
01:16:59,570 --> 01:16:56,219
know what the event was but how are

1953
01:17:04,310 --> 01:16:59,580
people responding yes well the notion

1954
01:17:08,450 --> 01:17:05,689
um

1955
01:17:11,330 --> 01:17:08,460
I'm going to call anecdotal evidence

1956
01:17:12,530 --> 01:17:11,340
entirely

1957
01:17:14,270 --> 01:17:12,540
um

1958
01:17:15,470 --> 01:17:14,280
and and you know also the notion you

1959
01:17:17,570 --> 01:17:15,480
know that we need you know it's like the

1960
01:17:18,649 --> 01:17:17,580
I guess the the

1961
01:17:21,410 --> 01:17:18,659
um

1962
01:17:23,990 --> 01:17:21,420
Neil deGrasse Tyson attitude which

1963
01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:24,000
basically seems to be I'll study this as

1964
01:17:28,010 --> 01:17:26,400
a scientist as soon as lay people have

1965
01:17:30,950 --> 01:17:28,020
already proven everything

1966
01:17:32,709 --> 01:17:30,960
yeah as soon as non-scientists have

1967
01:17:35,390 --> 01:17:32,719
gathered all the possible information

1968
01:17:38,390 --> 01:17:35,400
and I can no longer pretend that it

1969
01:17:40,070 --> 01:17:38,400
isn't real until that day I will not

1970
01:17:44,209 --> 01:17:40,080
look at any evidence

1971
01:17:45,709 --> 01:17:44,219
meanwhile there's Michio Kaku who you

1972
01:17:48,110 --> 01:17:45,719
know is a co-author of string theory

1973
01:17:49,669 --> 01:17:48,120
who's actually doing things and creating

1974
01:17:52,310 --> 01:17:49,679
theories and stuff that exist in her

1975
01:17:54,649 --> 01:17:52,320
practical and being utilized

1976
01:17:55,790 --> 01:17:54,659
um are saying no he has no problem with

1977
01:17:57,169 --> 01:17:55,800
accepting the fact that the government

1978
01:17:59,149 --> 01:17:57,179
has come out and said yeah we're

1979
01:18:00,649 --> 01:17:59,159
acknowledging that it's not ours it's

1980
01:18:03,470 --> 01:18:00,659
not our allies and it's not our

1981
01:18:06,110 --> 01:18:03,480
adversaries so it's something else and

1982
01:18:07,910 --> 01:18:06,120
it's like that's not yeah yeah and and

1983
01:18:10,070 --> 01:18:07,920
again it's the people who just insist on

1984
01:18:11,810 --> 01:18:10,080
the gov The Government Can Only lie no

1985
01:18:13,550 --> 01:18:11,820
but there's no there's no advantage in

1986
01:18:15,410 --> 01:18:13,560
the government saying

1987
01:18:16,490 --> 01:18:15,420
they really are loathe to say there's

1988
01:18:17,990 --> 01:18:16,500
something in the sky that we don't

1989
01:18:19,970 --> 01:18:18,000
understand and we can't defend you from

1990
01:18:22,669 --> 01:18:19,980
yeah it's not something they want to

1991
01:18:25,850 --> 01:18:22,679
admit to no and they haven't they

1992
01:18:28,610 --> 01:18:25,860
haven't forever no and now that they're

1993
01:18:31,070 --> 01:18:28,620
being forced to uh we should just accept

1994
01:18:32,270 --> 01:18:31,080
that this is not their this is not their

1995
01:18:33,890 --> 01:18:32,280
first choice

1996
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:33,900
and again there's other governments that

1997
01:18:37,550 --> 01:18:35,520
have done this like the French put out

1998
01:18:40,850 --> 01:18:37,560
the cometa report in the early 2000s

1999
01:18:43,130 --> 01:18:40,860
yeah that basically was a a sort of a

2000
01:18:45,590 --> 01:18:43,140
pan-scientific military report over many

2001
01:18:47,090 --> 01:18:45,600
years that came to the conclusion that

2002
01:18:48,350 --> 01:18:47,100
UFOs are real and most likely

2003
01:18:50,090 --> 01:18:48,360
extraterrestrial

2004
01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:50,100
and that came out a long time ago and

2005
01:18:54,050 --> 01:18:51,840
that was the that's the official stand

2006
01:18:56,450 --> 01:18:54,060
of the French government and we've been

2007
01:18:57,950 --> 01:18:56,460
working in here in the states we've been

2008
01:18:59,990 --> 01:18:57,960
working off the racial report for

2009
01:19:04,729 --> 01:19:00,000
decades yes

2010
01:19:08,030 --> 01:19:04,739
so it's yeah yeah because it's uh

2011
01:19:09,530 --> 01:19:08,040
yeah so that's the thing is it's um

2012
01:19:12,290 --> 01:19:09,540
I forgot what we were talking about now

2013
01:19:13,910 --> 01:19:12,300
well just like Neil deGrasse Tyson yeah

2014
01:19:15,470 --> 01:19:13,920
yeah like Michio Kaku yeah he said look

2015
01:19:18,050 --> 01:19:15,480
here's the evidence we now have we have

2016
01:19:19,490 --> 01:19:18,060
data yeah here's data we've we've

2017
01:19:21,290 --> 01:19:19,500
tracked these things we've seen their

2018
01:19:22,310 --> 01:19:21,300
motion we know how fast we know how fast

2019
01:19:27,770 --> 01:19:22,320
they move

2020
01:19:30,350 --> 01:19:27,780
uh we know how they how they uh navigate

2021
01:19:32,030 --> 01:19:30,360
um and we know roughly how big they are

2022
01:19:40,669 --> 01:19:32,040
and

2023
01:19:43,910 --> 01:19:40,679
underwater

2024
01:19:47,330 --> 01:19:43,920
and we know this not from just anecdotes

2025
01:19:49,790 --> 01:19:47,340
but from data we know this from

2026
01:19:52,610 --> 01:19:49,800
well we know this from the most skilled

2027
01:19:56,750 --> 01:19:52,620
operators of the most advanced radar

2028
01:20:00,290 --> 01:19:56,760
systems on the planet yeah the very best

2029
01:20:02,570 --> 01:20:00,300
people at reading the data read the data

2030
01:20:04,189 --> 01:20:02,580
and it told them

2031
01:20:06,890 --> 01:20:04,199
that these things are coming in from

2032
01:20:09,669 --> 01:20:06,900
space and going underwater and that

2033
01:20:11,810 --> 01:20:09,679
they're making right angle turns at at

2034
01:20:13,930 --> 01:20:11,820
Hypersonic speeds

2035
01:20:15,830 --> 01:20:13,940
and that they are basically

2036
01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:15,840
instantaneously accelerating and

2037
01:20:20,870 --> 01:20:17,280
disappearing

2038
01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:20,880
and showing up uh you know at uh

2039
01:20:26,390 --> 01:20:23,760
points that that demand a certain amount

2040
01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:26,400
of intelligence about uh the practices

2041
01:20:30,830 --> 01:20:28,080
of U.S military

2042
01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:30,840
they're showing up at cap points yeah

2043
01:20:34,370 --> 01:20:32,880
they're playing it seems like there's a

2044
01:20:35,870 --> 01:20:34,380
deliberate play going on or they're

2045
01:20:39,110 --> 01:20:35,880
making a point

2046
01:20:40,729 --> 01:20:39,120
um my mother saw a UFO in the 70s it's

2047
01:20:42,649 --> 01:20:40,739
not fair because she knows that I was

2048
01:20:44,570 --> 01:20:42,659
the one who wanted to see it yeah anyway

2049
01:20:46,669 --> 01:20:44,580
I won't and she got them young in the

2050
01:20:49,250 --> 01:20:46,679
70s that wasn't fair either she did

2051
01:20:53,390 --> 01:20:49,260
groovy times still meeting therapy over

2052
01:20:55,790 --> 01:20:53,400
that and so her her sighting was a craft

2053
01:20:58,729 --> 01:20:55,800
and this is Half Moon Bay California

2054
01:21:01,130 --> 01:20:58,739
and she's with uh my stepfather and they

2055
01:21:03,229 --> 01:21:01,140
see a craft come down and go into the

2056
01:21:05,810 --> 01:21:03,239
water off the you know ocean the

2057
01:21:07,910 --> 01:21:05,820
coastline my stepfather being the hippie

2058
01:21:10,370 --> 01:21:07,920
that he was ran out saying take me take

2059
01:21:12,110 --> 01:21:10,380
me which freaked my mother out

2060
01:21:13,970 --> 01:21:12,120
um and so

2061
01:21:16,010 --> 01:21:13,980
I guess I had heard about the you know

2062
01:21:18,649 --> 01:21:16,020
underwater submersibles from from way

2063
01:21:20,810 --> 01:21:18,659
back then but now I feel like that to me

2064
01:21:22,790 --> 01:21:20,820
is an exciting Frontier you know

2065
01:21:25,370 --> 01:21:22,800
especially with what um you know Dr

2066
01:21:28,490 --> 01:21:25,380
Kevin knuth is doing and and the uapx

2067
01:21:30,410 --> 01:21:28,500
team and Kevin everyone that that to me

2068
01:21:31,610 --> 01:21:30,420
holds more promise

2069
01:21:33,890 --> 01:21:31,620
I think than some of the other

2070
01:21:35,570 --> 01:21:33,900
Technologies because you know if you

2071
01:21:39,530 --> 01:21:35,580
look at the planet what do we have

2072
01:21:41,090 --> 01:21:39,540
mostly of water and as Mike Master says

2073
01:21:42,229 --> 01:21:41,100
everyone thinks it thinks it's coming

2074
01:21:44,030 --> 01:21:42,239
from another planet because they're

2075
01:21:45,410 --> 01:21:44,040
looking up when they you know see these

2076
01:21:48,050 --> 01:21:45,420
things but we don't know where they come

2077
01:21:49,729 --> 01:21:48,060
from or where they end up going and um

2078
01:21:51,350 --> 01:21:49,739
you know the one question that I have is

2079
01:21:53,270 --> 01:21:51,360
if you're if you're moving through the

2080
01:21:55,250 --> 01:21:53,280
water faster than a torpedo you're

2081
01:21:57,229 --> 01:21:55,260
probably taking out some fish

2082
01:22:00,290 --> 01:21:57,239
because they can't get out of the way

2083
01:22:02,330 --> 01:22:00,300
yeah unless unless you're you're

2084
01:22:05,149 --> 01:22:02,340
displacing as you're displacing the

2085
01:22:06,590 --> 01:22:05,159
water I mean I guess the thing is that

2086
01:22:10,550 --> 01:22:06,600
you're not just really displacing the

2087
01:22:12,290 --> 01:22:10,560
water in a traditional sense right so so

2088
01:22:13,669 --> 01:22:12,300
the fish might not be affected by it at

2089
01:22:18,169 --> 01:22:13,679
all

2090
01:22:20,510 --> 01:22:18,179
sense of disturbance as these craft are

2091
01:22:22,729 --> 01:22:20,520
going by yeah you know it'd be more like

2092
01:22:25,790 --> 01:22:22,739
if you you know if you're you know

2093
01:22:28,130 --> 01:22:25,800
standing on a flexible sheet and

2094
01:22:30,050 --> 01:22:28,140
and uh something comes by and you and

2095
01:22:32,510 --> 01:22:30,060
that she just gets pulled aside as you

2096
01:22:35,930 --> 01:22:32,520
as it goes past you it works around it

2097
01:22:37,550 --> 01:22:35,940
yeah yeah yeah but you know and that's

2098
01:22:39,830 --> 01:22:37,560
the

2099
01:22:40,910 --> 01:22:39,840
even still like I know like it was

2100
01:22:43,430 --> 01:22:40,920
um

2101
01:22:45,169 --> 01:22:43,440
like I'm I'm I'm excited that Abby Loeb

2102
01:22:47,270 --> 01:22:45,179
is getting involved

2103
01:22:50,630 --> 01:22:47,280
um but I still find it frustrating when

2104
01:22:54,110 --> 01:22:50,640
uh he tries to force physic physics as

2105
01:22:55,970 --> 01:22:54,120
we believe them to physics to work onto

2106
01:22:57,410 --> 01:22:55,980
observations

2107
01:22:59,149 --> 01:22:57,420
as opposed to just taking the

2108
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:59,159
observation for what it is

2109
01:23:03,470 --> 01:23:01,199
you know yeah well this can't be what

2110
01:23:05,570 --> 01:23:03,480
they saw because you know if it was

2111
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:05,580
traveling that fast in the sky it would

2112
01:23:10,910 --> 01:23:08,400
create a plasma that would be visible in

2113
01:23:12,350 --> 01:23:10,920
the light spectrum and then we you know

2114
01:23:14,030 --> 01:23:12,360
but then we go well the observations

2115
01:23:21,530 --> 01:23:14,040
from

2116
01:23:23,570 --> 01:23:21,540
that these craft uh don't care about the

2117
01:23:26,630 --> 01:23:23,580
laws of physics

2118
01:23:28,790 --> 01:23:26,640
that they are they are traveling through

2119
01:23:31,729 --> 01:23:28,800
the air at Hypersonic speeds without

2120
01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:31,739
apparently displacing the air

2121
01:23:36,410 --> 01:23:34,560
uh and creating a sonic boom so they

2122
01:23:39,830 --> 01:23:36,420
they apparently aren't interacting with

2123
01:23:41,990 --> 01:23:39,840
the molecules of air of you know all the

2124
01:23:44,450 --> 01:23:42,000
particles that make up the air

2125
01:23:45,950 --> 01:23:44,460
they're not interacting with it no but

2126
01:23:47,090 --> 01:23:45,960
it's interesting because

2127
01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:47,100
you know here's someone with his

2128
01:23:52,729 --> 01:23:50,400
pedigree and he's still a slave to

2129
01:23:54,410 --> 01:23:52,739
physics As We Know It And it'd be great

2130
01:23:55,850 --> 01:23:54,420
if you did that disclaimer physics as we

2131
01:23:58,070 --> 01:23:55,860
know it doesn't really allow for this

2132
01:24:01,310 --> 01:23:58,080
but the physics that we've been working

2133
01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:01,320
on isn't that long isn't that old yeah

2134
01:24:06,110 --> 01:24:03,600
so you can't re-jigger the observations

2135
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:06,120
to match the physics you just have to go

2136
01:24:10,370 --> 01:24:07,440
with the observations and if the

2137
01:24:12,649 --> 01:24:10,380
observations don't jibe with physics you

2138
01:24:13,970 --> 01:24:12,659
got to accept that we don't know enough

2139
01:24:16,070 --> 01:24:13,980
about physics

2140
01:24:18,649 --> 01:24:16,080
and that shouldn't be so hard when we

2141
01:24:22,010 --> 01:24:18,659
again when we acknowledge that we've

2142
01:24:23,410 --> 01:24:22,020
managed to Mis misplace 95 percent of

2143
01:24:27,050 --> 01:24:23,420
the universe

2144
01:24:29,030 --> 01:24:27,060
that we you know what did I do with that

2145
01:24:31,310 --> 01:24:29,040
the best of our science has been able to

2146
01:24:33,110 --> 01:24:31,320
figure out five percent

2147
01:24:34,729 --> 01:24:33,120
of what's going on in the world

2148
01:24:35,510 --> 01:24:34,739
yeah

2149
01:24:38,930 --> 01:24:35,520
um

2150
01:24:40,669 --> 01:24:38,940
well the the the thing that that I

2151
01:24:43,310 --> 01:24:40,679
always look at and I always kind of

2152
01:24:45,709 --> 01:24:43,320
consider where we are going forward is

2153
01:24:48,229 --> 01:24:45,719
that it always seems like there's a few

2154
01:24:49,669 --> 01:24:48,239
people who are ahead of the mountain

2155
01:24:51,950 --> 01:24:49,679
that we're all heading to when they're

2156
01:24:53,810 --> 01:24:51,960
able to see peer just beyond that and

2157
01:24:56,209 --> 01:24:53,820
these are the people that that we make

2158
01:24:58,610 --> 01:24:56,219
fun of they're the galileos they're the

2159
01:25:02,209 --> 01:24:58,620
Dr John Max

2160
01:25:03,830 --> 01:25:02,219
um and so it it kind of filters yeah and

2161
01:25:05,510 --> 01:25:03,840
so it kind of feels like I remember

2162
01:25:07,790 --> 01:25:05,520
telling skeptic magazine ones I said

2163
01:25:09,530 --> 01:25:07,800
well I you know it's good to it's good

2164
01:25:12,229 --> 01:25:09,540
to question things but I have a problem

2165
01:25:15,050 --> 01:25:12,239
with skepticism as a philosophy because

2166
01:25:17,090 --> 01:25:15,060
the uh the wise Skeptics of the past

2167
01:25:18,770 --> 01:25:17,100
were the people that mocked Louis

2168
01:25:20,630 --> 01:25:18,780
Pasteur and refused to wash their hands

2169
01:25:23,510 --> 01:25:20,640
before surgeries

2170
01:25:25,250 --> 01:25:23,520
or have masks on which which really only

2171
01:25:26,990 --> 01:25:25,260
have to do with um

2172
01:25:30,229 --> 01:25:27,000
splattering

2173
01:25:31,790 --> 01:25:30,239
um you know the saliva the big you know

2174
01:25:34,850 --> 01:25:31,800
stuff there it's it's not there to kind

2175
01:25:36,950 --> 01:25:34,860
of wipe out everything yeah yeah it was

2176
01:25:38,689 --> 01:25:36,960
the people that mocked germ Theory were

2177
01:25:41,209 --> 01:25:38,699
the Skeptics of the past so you don't

2178
01:25:43,790 --> 01:25:41,219
want to be those people no you can't see

2179
01:25:46,550 --> 01:25:43,800
them they don't exist yeah yeah

2180
01:25:49,070 --> 01:25:46,560
yeah so um oh we got another question

2181
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:49,080
here from Ray Nash uh has Dave ever

2182
01:25:51,830 --> 01:25:50,880
talked with Dan Aykroyd about this

2183
01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:51,840
subject

2184
01:25:58,490 --> 01:25:55,199
uh no I never have uh I have talked with

2185
01:26:00,590 --> 01:25:58,500
Dan Aykroyd uh I don't think Dan ever

2186
01:26:02,270 --> 01:26:00,600
remembers meeting me I've met him many

2187
01:26:04,129 --> 01:26:02,280
many times over the years all you

2188
01:26:06,890 --> 01:26:04,139
comedian actors you don't hang out

2189
01:26:08,930 --> 01:26:06,900
not all no but I am very good friends

2190
01:26:11,930 --> 01:26:08,940
with Dave Thomas who is very good

2191
01:26:13,189 --> 01:26:11,940
friends with with Dan Aykroyd and I and

2192
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:13,199
I have talked about these things with

2193
01:26:17,090 --> 01:26:14,639
Dave Thomas who is also really

2194
01:26:18,890 --> 01:26:17,100
interested in the UFO uh story and Dave

2195
01:26:21,550 --> 01:26:18,900
Thomas some of you might know if you're

2196
01:26:24,530 --> 01:26:21,560
Canadian you'll probably know SCTV

2197
01:26:27,530 --> 01:26:24,540
he was also bought half of Bob and Doug

2198
01:26:31,129 --> 01:26:27,540
McKenzie the you know Strange Brew and

2199
01:26:34,490 --> 01:26:31,139
he was on uh uh Grace Under Fire

2200
01:26:36,770 --> 01:26:34,500
yeah uh sitcom back in the 90s

2201
01:26:38,990 --> 01:26:36,780
so he's a very good friend of mine

2202
01:26:41,510 --> 01:26:39,000
also uh there was a question earlier

2203
01:26:44,870 --> 01:26:41,520
have any other cast members of kids in

2204
01:26:46,910 --> 01:26:44,880
the hole had any sightings seen anything

2205
01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:46,920
not that I'm aware of

2206
01:26:52,070 --> 01:26:50,400
um

2207
01:26:54,050 --> 01:26:52,080
I know there are there are other people

2208
01:26:56,810 --> 01:26:54,060
I know in Show Business who have who but

2209
01:26:58,790 --> 01:26:56,820
who aren't public about it

2210
01:27:00,050 --> 01:26:58,800
you know other people in comedy and the

2211
01:27:02,629 --> 01:27:00,060
music

2212
01:27:05,149 --> 01:27:02,639
that have

2213
01:27:07,129 --> 01:27:05,159
um so the thing that I I find really

2214
01:27:10,370 --> 01:27:07,139
interesting is it's it's always um

2215
01:27:11,390 --> 01:27:10,380
amazing how you'll find out that there

2216
01:27:13,910 --> 01:27:11,400
are certain people whether they're

2217
01:27:15,590 --> 01:27:13,920
celebrities or politicians

2218
01:27:17,570 --> 01:27:15,600
um like who knew back in the day that

2219
01:27:19,970 --> 01:27:17,580
that Harry Reid who wasn't in his inner

2220
01:27:23,930 --> 01:27:19,980
circle was into you know UFOs and aliens

2221
01:27:27,950 --> 01:27:23,940
yeah but your buddy Joe Rogan

2222
01:27:30,410 --> 01:27:27,960
um who was into them and then he kind of

2223
01:27:32,689 --> 01:27:30,420
got off the the UFO um I believe

2224
01:27:35,510 --> 01:27:32,699
bandwagon became sour to it and then you

2225
01:27:37,490 --> 01:27:35,520
brought him back to the table yeah yeah

2226
01:27:38,570 --> 01:27:37,500
he lost faith yeah he had lost well I

2227
01:27:40,490 --> 01:27:38,580
shouldn't say faith because it's not a

2228
01:27:43,070 --> 01:27:40,500
question of Faith but um

2229
01:27:45,530 --> 01:27:43,080
I guess he did a show for it was a

2230
01:27:47,030 --> 01:27:45,540
discovery I guess Joe was it Joe

2231
01:27:48,420 --> 01:27:47,040
researches everything I think it was

2232
01:27:48,470 --> 01:27:48,430
yeah awesome

2233
01:27:50,270 --> 01:27:48,480
[Music]

2234
01:27:51,709 --> 01:27:50,280
um

2235
01:27:53,570 --> 01:27:51,719
but I think largely I think that maybe

2236
01:27:55,189 --> 01:27:53,580
the producers of that show largely just

2237
01:27:57,169 --> 01:27:55,199
bought brought him people that were a

2238
01:28:00,110 --> 01:27:57,179
little bit crazy because that made for

2239
01:28:01,729 --> 01:28:00,120
better TV they thought right

2240
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:01,739
um and that skewed him towards thinking

2241
01:28:05,629 --> 01:28:03,360
that it was all

2242
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:05,639
uh and then

2243
01:28:09,290 --> 01:28:08,159
yeah and then uh yeah that was one

2244
01:28:11,990 --> 01:28:09,300
because Joe and I used to talk about

2245
01:28:14,090 --> 01:28:12,000
UFOs all the time back in news radio

2246
01:28:16,250 --> 01:28:14,100
days when we were working together

2247
01:28:18,890 --> 01:28:16,260
and um

2248
01:28:20,390 --> 01:28:18,900
so I when I uh was going to be on this

2249
01:28:21,709 --> 01:28:20,400
podcast or something so I called him up

2250
01:28:23,510 --> 01:28:21,719
and said well you can be excited here

2251
01:28:26,090 --> 01:28:23,520
I'm really I've taken a deep dive into

2252
01:28:28,129 --> 01:28:26,100
UFOs lately and and I was shocked to

2253
01:28:30,050 --> 01:28:28,139
hear him go that's all

2254
01:28:31,910 --> 01:28:30,060
what year was this

2255
01:28:33,770 --> 01:28:31,920
this was just a few years ago this was

2256
01:28:35,330 --> 01:28:33,780
uh

2257
01:28:36,590 --> 01:28:35,340
how many years ago before he had Bob

2258
01:28:39,050 --> 01:28:36,600
Lazar

2259
01:28:41,090 --> 01:28:39,060
yeah yeah okay yeah he had all those

2260
01:28:43,729 --> 01:28:41,100
people on basically I guess because we

2261
01:28:46,310 --> 01:28:43,739
started talking about UFOs

2262
01:28:47,990 --> 01:28:46,320
um so yes I went on with with my friend

2263
01:28:50,629 --> 01:28:48,000
Paul Greenberg we were going on because

2264
01:28:52,610 --> 01:28:50,639
we were doing a uh podcast at the time

2265
01:28:53,870 --> 01:28:52,620
called don't say

2266
01:28:58,370 --> 01:28:53,880
um

2267
01:28:59,090 --> 01:28:58,380
which is a that was the podcast and

2268
01:29:01,370 --> 01:28:59,100
um

2269
01:29:03,530 --> 01:29:01,380
and uh so we are going on to promote

2270
01:29:06,050 --> 01:29:03,540
that and and that's what I said oh I'm

2271
01:29:07,669 --> 01:29:06,060
really and then I told him about I

2272
01:29:11,330 --> 01:29:07,679
listed a few films one of them was

2273
01:29:14,090 --> 01:29:11,340
Jeremy's movie uh about Bob Lazar and I

2274
01:29:17,750 --> 01:29:14,100
also uh listed um

2275
01:29:19,129 --> 01:29:17,760
uh James Fox's out of the blue and I

2276
01:29:22,550 --> 01:29:19,139
know what I saw

2277
01:29:26,570 --> 01:29:22,560
as like films that he should watch

2278
01:29:28,490 --> 01:29:26,580
back before a phenomenon was made

2279
01:29:33,590 --> 01:29:28,500
and

2280
01:29:35,330 --> 01:29:33,600
after I talked to him like you know

2281
01:29:37,729 --> 01:29:35,340
after we were texting back and forth

2282
01:29:39,950 --> 01:29:37,739
about it then he said he likes was up

2283
01:29:43,370 --> 01:29:39,960
all night watching these movies and then

2284
01:29:45,229 --> 01:29:43,380
he was back on board you know he did his

2285
01:29:47,030 --> 01:29:45,239
homework yeah

2286
01:29:48,350 --> 01:29:47,040
and uh

2287
01:29:50,689 --> 01:29:48,360
and I think those I mean I think it's

2288
01:29:52,669 --> 01:29:50,699
hard it's certainly I think

2289
01:29:55,370 --> 01:29:52,679
like right now probably probably the

2290
01:29:57,410 --> 01:29:55,380
best primer as we say in Canada not

2291
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:57,420
primaries you people of insist on saying

2292
01:30:00,110 --> 01:29:58,800
in America

2293
01:30:02,450 --> 01:30:00,120
um

2294
01:30:05,689 --> 01:30:02,460
for people who aren't aware of the whole

2295
01:30:07,910 --> 01:30:05,699
history of uh the modern UFO

2296
01:30:10,189 --> 01:30:07,920
phenomenon I think the phenomenon is a

2297
01:30:12,410 --> 01:30:10,199
great starting point

2298
01:30:15,229 --> 01:30:12,420
yeah and it's and it's modern enough and

2299
01:30:17,510 --> 01:30:15,239
uh and techno technically proficient as

2300
01:30:18,830 --> 01:30:17,520
a film that people won't be put off by

2301
01:30:20,209 --> 01:30:18,840
it because there's other ones that are

2302
01:30:22,610 --> 01:30:20,219
great but people a lot of people would

2303
01:30:25,330 --> 01:30:22,620
be put off by the more yeah amateur

2304
01:30:27,770 --> 01:30:25,340
quality I kind of consider that the the

2305
01:30:29,689 --> 01:30:27,780
Encyclopedia of UFOs if you want to know

2306
01:30:31,310 --> 01:30:29,699
everything about UFO

2307
01:30:33,649 --> 01:30:31,320
um you know some of the highlight of the

2308
01:30:36,010 --> 01:30:33,659
the solid cases that are backed up with

2309
01:30:38,570 --> 01:30:36,020
highly credible people that's a great

2310
01:30:41,450 --> 01:30:38,580
Gateway you know yeah to get into it

2311
01:30:43,430 --> 01:30:41,460
like the like aerial phenomenon is the

2312
01:30:45,530 --> 01:30:43,440
one about you know first level

2313
01:30:47,990 --> 01:30:45,540
experiences and there's also the West

2314
01:30:50,629 --> 01:30:48,000
all School in Australia is another great

2315
01:30:52,390 --> 01:30:50,639
story about again like that one was I

2316
01:30:55,189 --> 01:30:52,400
think it was something like

2317
01:30:58,370 --> 01:30:55,199
oh that's right mirrored

2318
01:30:59,770 --> 01:30:58,380
um the West uh which was in the 60s I

2319
01:31:03,229 --> 01:30:59,780
think yeah right

2320
01:31:06,350 --> 01:31:03,239
like 200 students witnessed

2321
01:31:09,470 --> 01:31:06,360
uh UFOs touching down outside an

2322
01:31:10,310 --> 01:31:09,480
Australian school you know yeah

2323
01:31:13,790 --> 01:31:10,320
um

2324
01:31:14,810 --> 01:31:13,800
has more questions he just keeps

2325
01:31:16,189 --> 01:31:14,820
manufacturing he's got a machine

2326
01:31:19,189 --> 01:31:16,199
actually that cranks him out and his

2327
01:31:23,629 --> 01:31:19,199
question was um would you ever host a

2328
01:31:25,490 --> 01:31:23,639
UAP or UFO documentary or live event

2329
01:31:27,169 --> 01:31:25,500
um well you're in my doc and you won't

2330
01:31:29,930 --> 01:31:27,179
be in anyone else's dock until we

2331
01:31:31,610 --> 01:31:29,940
release which I you know I've been

2332
01:31:35,149 --> 01:31:31,620
toying with the idea of trying to do a

2333
01:31:37,189 --> 01:31:35,159
series a a UAP series

2334
01:31:41,229 --> 01:31:38,810
I mean

2335
01:31:45,050 --> 01:31:41,239
I'm I often

2336
01:31:46,189 --> 01:31:45,060
uh sort of get uh dissuade myself of it

2337
01:31:47,990 --> 01:31:46,199
because I keep saying there's so many

2338
01:31:50,750 --> 01:31:48,000
people that are that would be much

2339
01:31:52,129 --> 01:31:50,760
better to host one than me

2340
01:31:53,689 --> 01:31:52,139
um

2341
01:31:55,550 --> 01:31:53,699
but then I think there there might be

2342
01:31:56,750 --> 01:31:55,560
people who will listen to me who might

2343
01:31:58,310 --> 01:31:56,760
not listen to people that are actually

2344
01:32:00,890 --> 01:31:58,320
smarter than me and know more than me

2345
01:32:04,310 --> 01:32:00,900
you see I have to disagree I'm not that

2346
01:32:06,709 --> 01:32:04,320
you're not but that you are because

2347
01:32:09,350 --> 01:32:06,719
um I remember when I when I spoke in

2348
01:32:11,390 --> 01:32:09,360
2018 at the international UFO Congress

2349
01:32:13,910 --> 01:32:11,400
convention I was talking to Alejandra

2350
01:32:16,189 --> 01:32:13,920
Ross and and he said hey you know come

2351
01:32:18,530 --> 01:32:16,199
out for the 25th anniversary of your um

2352
01:32:19,850 --> 01:32:18,540
film The McPherson tape and I said I'm

2353
01:32:21,950 --> 01:32:19,860
not sure about that I'm not sure that's

2354
01:32:23,510 --> 01:32:21,960
a good idea and he's like why and I said

2355
01:32:26,510 --> 01:32:23,520
well because

2356
01:32:28,430 --> 01:32:26,520
um they uh

2357
01:32:30,110 --> 01:32:28,440
I I don't know what their reaction is

2358
01:32:32,390 --> 01:32:30,120
going to be because I had done this

2359
01:32:34,189 --> 01:32:32,400
thing and then it was um you know

2360
01:32:36,530 --> 01:32:34,199
co-opted and it went out and was

2361
01:32:38,330 --> 01:32:36,540
believed to be real and I am the first

2362
01:32:40,189 --> 01:32:38,340
and only filmmaker I know who debunks

2363
01:32:42,350 --> 01:32:40,199
their own film and I don't know if they

2364
01:32:44,330 --> 01:32:42,360
hold on to their beliefs so strong it'll

2365
01:32:46,370 --> 01:32:44,340
be brittle and break and I'll show up

2366
01:32:47,990 --> 01:32:46,380
for 75 minutes I'll be you know looking

2367
01:32:49,850 --> 01:32:48,000
across from people that want to murder

2368
01:32:52,189 --> 01:32:49,860
me and he said no no they're great

2369
01:32:56,149 --> 01:32:52,199
people and that's how I kind of got into

2370
01:32:57,050 --> 01:32:56,159
the you know uh UFO space and the UFO

2371
01:32:59,450 --> 01:32:57,060
community

2372
01:33:01,129 --> 01:32:59,460
and I spoke and I said you know I I

2373
01:33:03,110 --> 01:33:01,139
don't take myself serious I take my work

2374
01:33:05,450 --> 01:33:03,120
serious but definitely not me and the

2375
01:33:07,070 --> 01:33:05,460
thing that I kept thinking that that I

2376
01:33:08,930 --> 01:33:07,080
wanted to do in working in this space

2377
01:33:11,870 --> 01:33:08,940
and and doing these documentaries that

2378
01:33:13,189 --> 01:33:11,880
I'm now doing is uh bring levity

2379
01:33:15,050 --> 01:33:13,199
to it

2380
01:33:18,050 --> 01:33:15,060
we can have fun with this because it is

2381
01:33:20,990 --> 01:33:18,060
fun let's not kid ourselves yeah and so

2382
01:33:22,550 --> 01:33:21,000
I think you would be a perfect host uh

2383
01:33:24,709 --> 01:33:22,560
for a show to be looking at things and

2384
01:33:26,330 --> 01:33:24,719
and finding those you know those moments

2385
01:33:29,570 --> 01:33:26,340
of humor and levity along the way

2386
01:33:30,890 --> 01:33:29,580
because yeah well I think I think I mean

2387
01:33:33,709 --> 01:33:30,900
as I said I think there's so many people

2388
01:33:35,870 --> 01:33:33,719
who are who's whose uh

2389
01:33:38,390 --> 01:33:35,880
knowledge of the history and you know

2390
01:33:40,610 --> 01:33:38,400
and who have actually done the work you

2391
01:33:41,870 --> 01:33:40,620
know in the world

2392
01:33:43,490 --> 01:33:41,880
um

2393
01:33:45,709 --> 01:33:43,500
who I think you know people can you know

2394
01:33:49,669 --> 01:33:45,719
and there's so many people doing uh

2395
01:33:51,410 --> 01:33:49,679
great podcasts and yourself included and

2396
01:33:56,510 --> 01:33:51,420
um thank you you know and Martin and

2397
01:33:58,669 --> 01:33:56,520
Alejandro uh rajas and uh Ryan Sprague

2398
01:34:00,290 --> 01:33:58,679
um you know people doing like the only

2399
01:34:02,870 --> 01:34:00,300
thing I can bring to it

2400
01:34:05,750 --> 01:34:02,880
um is a certain a certain level of

2401
01:34:08,330 --> 01:34:05,760
celebrity while I still have it uh

2402
01:34:12,050 --> 01:34:08,340
because it's oh it's fading

2403
01:34:14,209 --> 01:34:12,060
um and and a certain reputation for

2404
01:34:15,229 --> 01:34:14,219
being intelligent

2405
01:34:17,149 --> 01:34:15,239
um

2406
01:34:19,189 --> 01:34:17,159
I can bring that to it and so I can

2407
01:34:22,010 --> 01:34:19,199
maybe get people who might not listen to

2408
01:34:24,350 --> 01:34:22,020
some to uh

2409
01:34:26,330 --> 01:34:24,360
to someone else might listen to me and

2410
01:34:27,950 --> 01:34:26,340
then maybe I in that way I could steer

2411
01:34:29,629 --> 01:34:27,960
them towards people that that could

2412
01:34:33,410 --> 01:34:29,639
actually Enlighten them better than I

2413
01:34:36,229 --> 01:34:33,420
can well what's wise um if I may uh say

2414
01:34:39,490 --> 01:34:36,239
about you sir is that um you spend most

2415
01:34:42,290 --> 01:34:39,500
of your time on coming up with questions

2416
01:34:45,290 --> 01:34:42,300
instead of coming up with answers

2417
01:34:47,570 --> 01:34:45,300
there's a big difference yes yeah

2418
01:34:50,390 --> 01:34:47,580
I think that shows are much more

2419
01:34:52,129 --> 01:34:50,400
interesting than answers yeah yeah you

2420
01:34:53,270 --> 01:34:52,139
know yeah

2421
01:34:56,209 --> 01:34:53,280
um

2422
01:34:58,070 --> 01:34:56,219
and that was uh

2423
01:35:00,350 --> 01:34:58,080
you know we have you know tried to tell

2424
01:35:02,629 --> 01:35:00,360
my daughter I said you know

2425
01:35:05,270 --> 01:35:02,639
you never you never learn anything from

2426
01:35:06,050 --> 01:35:05,280
the arguments you win

2427
01:35:10,250 --> 01:35:06,060
um

2428
01:35:13,070 --> 01:35:10,260
exactly knowing exactly what you knew

2429
01:35:15,050 --> 01:35:13,080
going in right but the arguments you

2430
01:35:16,189 --> 01:35:15,060
lose you come out knowing something you

2431
01:35:17,870 --> 01:35:16,199
didn't know before

2432
01:35:19,970 --> 01:35:17,880
yeah

2433
01:35:21,890 --> 01:35:19,980
and uh and that's how I kind of view

2434
01:35:23,930 --> 01:35:21,900
everything I don't want to

2435
01:35:26,750 --> 01:35:23,940
I'm not looking to reinforce anything I

2436
01:35:28,970 --> 01:35:26,760
already know I'm looking to

2437
01:35:30,590 --> 01:35:28,980
you know and something like when I went

2438
01:35:33,169 --> 01:35:30,600
when I was talking

2439
01:35:35,689 --> 01:35:33,179
um about my UFOs

2440
01:35:37,070 --> 01:35:35,699
you know encounter on Twitter there were

2441
01:35:38,270 --> 01:35:37,080
certainly a bunch of people say well why

2442
01:35:39,410 --> 01:35:38,280
aren't you out why aren't you talking to

2443
01:35:40,790 --> 01:35:39,420
me why aren't you getting proof on this

2444
01:35:42,110 --> 01:35:40,800
are you are you concerned about this

2445
01:35:43,669 --> 01:35:42,120
where's your evidence and all that and I

2446
01:35:45,830 --> 01:35:43,679
said well I'm not here I'm not on here

2447
01:35:48,350 --> 01:35:45,840
to try and prove anything

2448
01:35:49,610 --> 01:35:48,360
I'm really just showing up because I saw

2449
01:35:50,930 --> 01:35:49,620
something and I'm not afraid to talk

2450
01:35:52,010 --> 01:35:50,940
about it and I know a lot of people out

2451
01:35:54,470 --> 01:35:52,020
there have seen things and they are

2452
01:35:57,470 --> 01:35:54,480
afraid to talk about it and I'm just

2453
01:36:00,050 --> 01:35:57,480
trying to set an example of of

2454
01:36:01,610 --> 01:36:00,060
someone who saw something and is isn't

2455
01:36:04,189 --> 01:36:01,620
afraid to talk about it

2456
01:36:05,390 --> 01:36:04,199
yeah and hopefully just the very Act of

2457
01:36:08,209 --> 01:36:05,400
doing it and I said I don't care if

2458
01:36:09,950 --> 01:36:08,219
people believe that I saw what I saw

2459
01:36:12,410 --> 01:36:09,960
um you know or if people want to come up

2460
01:36:13,729 --> 01:36:12,420
with uh tortured explanations for what I

2461
01:36:14,930 --> 01:36:13,739
saw

2462
01:36:17,149 --> 01:36:14,940
um

2463
01:36:18,890 --> 01:36:17,159
you know it's not it's not it's not of

2464
01:36:20,510 --> 01:36:18,900
any interest to me I I just really

2465
01:36:23,930 --> 01:36:20,520
wanted to

2466
01:36:25,550 --> 01:36:23,940
to I guess by example uh show that it's

2467
01:36:27,350 --> 01:36:25,560
okay you're not your world's not going

2468
01:36:29,149 --> 01:36:27,360
to fall apart if you talk about it

2469
01:36:31,430 --> 01:36:29,159
yeah well it's interesting because one

2470
01:36:33,830 --> 01:36:31,440
of the best bites I think in the new

2471
01:36:36,709 --> 01:36:33,840
aerial phenomenon Randy nickerson's film

2472
01:36:40,129 --> 01:36:36,719
which you can now get I think it's

2473
01:36:41,570 --> 01:36:40,139
aerial phenomenon.com you can look it up

2474
01:36:43,129 --> 01:36:41,580
but um it's available now and it's

2475
01:36:45,050 --> 01:36:43,139
fantastic it's a documentary it's not a

2476
01:36:47,570 --> 01:36:45,060
UFO a documentary happens to be about

2477
01:36:49,189 --> 01:36:47,580
that but it's it's Stellar

2478
01:36:51,649 --> 01:36:49,199
um there's a bite where one of the

2479
01:36:53,390 --> 01:36:51,659
students former students says it's not

2480
01:36:56,090 --> 01:36:53,400
my job to convince you

2481
01:36:57,709 --> 01:36:56,100
yeah I can't do that so I can only make

2482
01:36:59,629 --> 01:36:57,719
this available I don't care to do that

2483
01:37:01,189 --> 01:36:59,639
I'm just sharing this experience that I

2484
01:37:02,870 --> 01:37:01,199
had period

2485
01:37:04,910 --> 01:37:02,880
yeah which is the best you can do

2486
01:37:08,330 --> 01:37:04,920
because it look you know

2487
01:37:10,669 --> 01:37:08,340
um I'm I'm a I'm a professional comedian

2488
01:37:12,350 --> 01:37:10,679
I don't have access to the most advanced

2489
01:37:13,910 --> 01:37:12,360
radar equipment in the world

2490
01:37:15,709 --> 01:37:13,920
I don't have access to I don't even

2491
01:37:17,750 --> 01:37:15,719
accident access to a decent pair of

2492
01:37:20,330 --> 01:37:17,760
binoculars

2493
01:37:22,189 --> 01:37:20,340
um you know I'm not gonna you know I'm

2494
01:37:23,510 --> 01:37:22,199
not gonna get you know this like it says

2495
01:37:25,010 --> 01:37:23,520
you know and against people who say well

2496
01:37:27,590 --> 01:37:25,020
we've all got

2497
01:37:29,270 --> 01:37:27,600
you know these great cameras in our

2498
01:37:30,410 --> 01:37:29,280
pocket system no they're shitty cameras

2499
01:37:32,629 --> 01:37:30,420
in your pocket

2500
01:37:34,490 --> 01:37:32,639
which is why we used to get much better

2501
01:37:36,950 --> 01:37:34,500
UFO photos when people carried film

2502
01:37:38,209 --> 01:37:36,960
cameras around with lenses on them yeah

2503
01:37:39,590 --> 01:37:38,219
we're now carrying something that is

2504
01:37:41,629 --> 01:37:39,600
designed for you to take a picture of

2505
01:37:44,390 --> 01:37:41,639
your dessert

2506
01:37:46,189 --> 01:37:44,400
um are yourself eating dessert yeah and

2507
01:37:47,990 --> 01:37:46,199
they're useless you can't take a picture

2508
01:37:50,570 --> 01:37:48,000
of the Moon and convince people that the

2509
01:37:52,669 --> 01:37:50,580
moon exists with these phones

2510
01:37:55,669 --> 01:37:52,679
uh you know all you'll see is a

2511
01:37:57,530 --> 01:37:56,209
um

2512
01:38:02,270 --> 01:37:57,540
so

2513
01:38:04,729 --> 01:38:02,280
things isn't isn't

2514
01:38:07,250 --> 01:38:04,739
my job either and again I like that in

2515
01:38:09,649 --> 01:38:07,260
that documentary as well it's that

2516
01:38:11,810 --> 01:38:09,659
you know it's just the the fact that

2517
01:38:13,310 --> 01:38:11,820
people's lives have been disrupted by

2518
01:38:16,490 --> 01:38:13,320
these events

2519
01:38:19,430 --> 01:38:16,500
and people have suffered

2520
01:38:22,370 --> 01:38:19,440
from these experiences and not not from

2521
01:38:25,250 --> 01:38:22,380
the experience itself but from the

2522
01:38:27,530 --> 01:38:25,260
reaction of people who didn't share it

2523
01:38:29,030 --> 01:38:27,540
yeah people have had their lives

2524
01:38:31,070 --> 01:38:29,040
tortured

2525
01:38:32,629 --> 01:38:31,080
you know have had people that they that

2526
01:38:34,850 --> 01:38:32,639
should love and care for them like that

2527
01:38:36,830 --> 01:38:34,860
the woman and the you know that

2528
01:38:38,570 --> 01:38:36,840
documentary the fact that her parents

2529
01:38:39,530 --> 01:38:38,580
weren't capable of giving her what she

2530
01:38:43,129 --> 01:38:39,540
needed

2531
01:38:46,070 --> 01:38:43,139
weren't you know weren't capable of

2532
01:38:48,770 --> 01:38:46,080
of embracing these this life-changing

2533
01:38:50,090 --> 01:38:48,780
experience that she had

2534
01:38:52,129 --> 01:38:50,100
um yeah

2535
01:38:54,290 --> 01:38:52,139
and that's right and it's too many

2536
01:38:55,850 --> 01:38:54,300
people have suffered and it's such a

2537
01:38:57,229 --> 01:38:55,860
contradiction because when I think if I

2538
01:38:59,990 --> 01:38:57,239
was one of those kids you know and I go

2539
01:39:01,550 --> 01:39:00,000
back to my elementary school I think I'm

2540
01:39:02,390 --> 01:39:01,560
out on the yard I see something at that

2541
01:39:04,850 --> 01:39:02,400
age

2542
01:39:07,910 --> 01:39:04,860
first thing I'm probably thinking is

2543
01:39:09,229 --> 01:39:07,920
um oh so there's this my parents didn't

2544
01:39:11,930 --> 01:39:09,239
tell me about this but this is part of

2545
01:39:13,850 --> 01:39:11,940
life oh okay what am I supposed to do

2546
01:39:16,250 --> 01:39:13,860
with this how does this work and then

2547
01:39:17,689 --> 01:39:16,260
when you go to them and say hey so this

2548
01:39:19,189 --> 01:39:17,699
thing we just experienced and it's like

2549
01:39:20,750 --> 01:39:19,199
no you didn't

2550
01:39:24,110 --> 01:39:20,760
yeah oh

2551
01:39:26,030 --> 01:39:24,120
and you know welcome to uh you know uh

2552
01:39:28,310 --> 01:39:26,040
not having your back not you know

2553
01:39:29,810 --> 01:39:28,320
needing to curb your beliefs and and how

2554
01:39:31,790 --> 01:39:29,820
you uh share them

2555
01:39:34,490 --> 01:39:31,800
yeah and that that

2556
01:39:36,590 --> 01:39:34,500
um mismatch of what you know your

2557
01:39:38,750 --> 01:39:36,600
reality to be and what you're told your

2558
01:39:40,129 --> 01:39:38,760
reality is could be compared to someone

2559
01:39:42,110 --> 01:39:40,139
going to their parents and saying I'm

2560
01:39:45,169 --> 01:39:42,120
gay and mental no you're not

2561
01:39:49,189 --> 01:39:45,179
because that's wrong so you can't be gay

2562
01:39:51,649 --> 01:39:49,199
yeah and living with that disconnect

2563
01:39:53,510 --> 01:39:51,659
um so I think it's a similar kind of to

2564
01:39:54,830 --> 01:39:53,520
to have that disconnect with your with

2565
01:39:56,330 --> 01:39:54,840
your parents the people that you trust

2566
01:39:59,990 --> 01:39:56,340
and you expect to

2567
01:40:03,770 --> 01:40:00,000
to to lead you through discoveries yeah

2568
01:40:05,990 --> 01:40:03,780
I know the ones shutting you down right

2569
01:40:07,129 --> 01:40:06,000
um well as we wrap up here I do want to

2570
01:40:11,090 --> 01:40:07,139
ask you

2571
01:40:12,530 --> 01:40:11,100
um going forward what do you not not to

2572
01:40:16,310 --> 01:40:12,540
say you know take a look in the crystal

2573
01:40:18,229 --> 01:40:16,320
ball but what would you like to to have

2574
01:40:20,510 --> 01:40:18,239
happen with the phenomenon where would

2575
01:40:22,430 --> 01:40:20,520
you like to see it go

2576
01:40:27,649 --> 01:40:22,440
um

2577
01:40:30,770 --> 01:40:29,689
I would I would like to know what's

2578
01:40:32,689 --> 01:40:30,780
going on

2579
01:40:34,310 --> 01:40:32,699
uh but there's always the possibility

2580
01:40:36,709 --> 01:40:34,320
that that when we do find out what's

2581
01:40:38,149 --> 01:40:36,719
going on it might be terrifying

2582
01:40:42,169 --> 01:40:38,159
all right

2583
01:40:45,110 --> 01:40:42,179
you know it might be uh

2584
01:40:47,270 --> 01:40:45,120
you know I had actually had very I had I

2585
01:40:48,890 --> 01:40:47,280
had dinner with uh Lou Elizondo a little

2586
01:40:50,930 --> 01:40:48,900
while ago

2587
01:40:53,930 --> 01:40:50,940
and Lou talks about that fact that he

2588
01:40:57,050 --> 01:40:53,940
thinks humanity is at a pivot point

2589
01:41:00,649 --> 01:40:57,060
and uh you know in human history

2590
01:41:02,689 --> 01:41:00,659
and if he's right and we are then

2591
01:41:05,629 --> 01:41:02,699
the thing about pivot Points is they can

2592
01:41:08,450 --> 01:41:05,639
be very disruptive and they can be they

2593
01:41:11,570 --> 01:41:08,460
can be terrifying

2594
01:41:13,250 --> 01:41:11,580
and if you know

2595
01:41:14,510 --> 01:41:13,260
and if we do find out what's going on

2596
01:41:16,310 --> 01:41:14,520
and it turns out there is something

2597
01:41:20,090 --> 01:41:16,320
malevolent in it

2598
01:41:22,370 --> 01:41:20,100
uh there's no turning back

2599
01:41:25,490 --> 01:41:22,380
so I'm not sure if you know I think I

2600
01:41:26,270 --> 01:41:25,500
want to know in my lifetime

2601
01:41:28,790 --> 01:41:26,280
um

2602
01:41:30,290 --> 01:41:28,800
I know he's on my speed list dial of

2603
01:41:32,209 --> 01:41:30,300
people that I'm ready to you know to

2604
01:41:34,490 --> 01:41:32,219
reach out to if things get really weird

2605
01:41:36,590 --> 01:41:34,500
and so I can say hey Lou so what's

2606
01:41:39,890 --> 01:41:36,600
what's happening dude yeah please

2607
01:41:41,930 --> 01:41:39,900
forward or you know send me the the memo

2608
01:41:43,669 --> 01:41:41,940
the email because I I didn't get it yeah

2609
01:41:44,990 --> 01:41:43,679
it was yeah definitely getting to meet

2610
01:41:47,570 --> 01:41:45,000
over there was dinner with this yeah

2611
01:41:49,129 --> 01:41:47,580
Chrissy Newton and and we had dinner

2612
01:41:51,950 --> 01:41:49,139
with with Lou and it was pretty amazing

2613
01:41:54,229 --> 01:41:51,960
we're Sean there Sean no no I haven't

2614
01:41:56,629 --> 01:41:54,239
met Sean Cahill oh you should I do he's

2615
01:41:59,689 --> 01:41:56,639
great yeah he's great too

2616
01:42:01,070 --> 01:41:59,699
um David Dave sir Dave thank you so much

2617
01:42:02,930 --> 01:42:01,080
for sharing

2618
01:42:06,530 --> 01:42:02,940
um I guess over an hour and a half of

2619
01:42:08,330 --> 01:42:06,540
your time here yeah it it's been great

2620
01:42:11,689 --> 01:42:08,340
and uh

2621
01:42:14,810 --> 01:42:11,699
um I look forward to um hanging out with

2622
01:42:17,990 --> 01:42:14,820
you so I can say wouldn't it be nice if

2623
01:42:20,629 --> 01:42:18,000
a UFO just popped up and hopefully you

2624
01:42:22,189 --> 01:42:20,639
will say take a look behind you yeah

2625
01:42:24,229 --> 01:42:22,199
Jerry Jeremy keeps saying I gotta get

2626
01:42:25,910 --> 01:42:24,239
back out because I'm the Summoner so

2627
01:42:27,830 --> 01:42:25,920
yeah

2628
01:42:29,810 --> 01:42:27,840
all right but it's good it's been great

2629
01:42:32,450 --> 01:42:29,820
to see you it's uh miss I miss our uh

2630
01:42:34,189 --> 01:42:32,460
our Hangouts in Los Angeles yeah well

2631
01:42:35,689 --> 01:42:34,199
we'll have to uh do that or I'm gonna

2632
01:42:38,270 --> 01:42:35,699
have to get out to the uh the East Coast

2633
01:42:42,590 --> 01:42:38,280
so thank you again brother appreciate it

2634
01:42:47,030 --> 01:42:44,689
all right um so

2635
01:42:49,250 --> 01:42:47,040
um I just want to do another reminder

2636
01:42:51,229 --> 01:42:49,260
here that that um the international UFO

2637
01:42:53,390 --> 01:42:51,239
Congress convention is happening there's

2638
01:42:55,550 --> 01:42:53,400
still tickets available and uh thank you

2639
01:42:59,090 --> 01:42:55,560
to all the listeners and Martin continue

2640
01:43:01,010 --> 01:42:59,100
to uh get well and um I will see you

2641
01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:01,020
guys possibly next week

2642
01:43:12,170 --> 01:43:03,050
foreign